Ah yes, Adam, the prolific muddler tries his hand at equivocation by incoherently comparing the true fellowship with God as experienced by Adam and Eve to the deceitful fellowship of Judas or Esau.
Adam, first of all, Judas was a deceiver from the start and Jesus knew it because Jesus is, after all, the Word of God. The Bible says Jesus KNEW those who are his and Judas was NOT one of his. Judas was chosen simply to fulfill scripture. See John 13:18 "I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: 'He who shared my bread has turned against me.'
Adam, you would be well served if you would only apply a little more effort toward understanding what you quote instead of just quoting as if by the flip of a coin
Adam and Eve were known by God to take from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and all other works of God are known by God, as all are things...
Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
By Adam came death for all, this is the purpose of God, to give life for all through God, showing death n man and life by Jesus Christ...
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Another point David needs to know is that not only Judas was chosen for his failure and betrayal, all who failed and betrayed were pre-chosen, and these are chosen before the foundation of the world for the adoption of children by Jesus Christ...
Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
So some vessels are for honour and some for dishonour ( that was the purpose of the verses for Esau and Jacob)..
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
The vessels for wrath were chosen for disobedience ( Adam is that example) in contrast to the obedience of Christ against all who die in Adams disobedience..
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Ahhh yes, how soon it always is for David to forget that we are free will creatures EVEN after becoming BORN AGAIN! Of course rsvp and David 'believes' Christians will actually become FORCED ROBOTS that do not sin come resurrection day , when the Bible is clear this happens well before well before the 'glorfication' time period , that is just for a new body (that rsvp does not understand ), not a change of heart and mind that takes place during that 'sanctification' process time for His saints!
Of course David struggles mightily with the word 'saint' and somehow comes to the conclusion that YHWH the Father is coming back for willful 'continually sinning perfection' type of 'saints' in David's mind eye??? A strange doctrine indeed is that of apostle of satan that David still claims to be!
YICKS! How would you like to be in David's shoes come judgment day friends, when David says BUT LORD I claimed your righteousness so I could continue to be unrighteous! Butttttt 'lord' did you not give me a license to keep on sinning like the others in my 'church' believed and taught that are standing next to me, nodding their heads, as we speak? Then the last words David and company will hear is - depart from me you workers of 'inquity'- meaning continual LAW breakers! You see friends David somehow thinks you can like break the Sabbath commandment and NOT be a LAWBREAKER but the Bible says when you break one you have broke them all! So it is David the transgressor is also a murderer, coveter, adulterious etc etc and is 'blessed' by heaven to do so! AMEN!
Every atheist would want to be that type of 'christian' they tell me in my ministry witness to them BUTTTTTT they are WAY SMARTER than David and rsvp in understanding, for even atheist KNOW they must live a changed life from sin (turn away from old life) and at least they are 'honest' in admitting that they cannot give up their sins! So called 'christians' that are really FAKE ones, try to play games with twisting Scripture claiming we can have both heaven and our sins up to the point of His coming for 'willful sinners'??? SAY WHAT???
Ahhhh yes, David THEN is actually the TRUE 'prolific muddler' that 'tries his hand' in twisting the TRUE CONTEXT of Scripture which states sooo clearly that GREATER is YHWH in true SAINTS than the devil is in trying to get them to sin daily! For GREATER is He that is in you than he (satan)
is of this world! At least David in 'faith' is 'honest' in a round about way, letting us know that his father below is greater in him! AMEN (so be it) David unrighteously says!
That David 'by the flip of a coin' serves somehow both his master sinful nature to that of his supposed new nature that he never seems to wants to serve, assuming he might have a new nature?
Its a fact then that David is a true two sided marked coin! 'Heads' he is when it flips to the old sinful nature he serves most of the time (in his indoctrinated head) it seems on this forum in statements, then 'tails' according to his 'church' taught understanding anyway, that he never claims he ever serves BY THE POWER OF HEAVEN that the Bible speaks of??? For David's says its impossible to only serve the new nature???
Back on the fall of man, Adam and Eve were chosen for all they fulfilled, as was Noah to preach righteousness, Abraham to be the friend of God, and the devil to do his temptations, not much free will seen in any of them, is there ?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Sabbath is told about, its not something that God judges us about, but instead says not to be judged over it..
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
As far as I know, the fall of man came by being selfish, so by being non self seeking, would be the rising up of man:
See the contrast or don't, I wont keep repeating for too long, the people of the earth desired what was for them, as Ephesians describes, in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and mind to be the children of wrath ( of the fall)..
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Here is the escape:
1 Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
It's not in mocking, it's not in being first and thinking we are saved, it's not in anything we keep that we think is good for us, it is what is good for another only, it is in humility, as the lowest and last, it is not in getting, but in giving away, even your soul and all your desires, to lay your life down as in Christ.
David posted at first of thread - 'Adam and Eve’s faith. I believe they are among God’s chosen and both received salvation after breaking God’s COMMAND'
Note David finally admits that like 'Adam and Eve’s faith' in sinning was more important to them (their new god) than KEEPING THE COMMANDS of YHWH!? The BREAKING of the LAW was the cause of eventual death, growing old AND the second death of which they could ONLY do something about BY FAITH, for they needed a substitution to take there place for that second death and it MUST be a PERFECT offering according to the Bible, which of course is Yah'shua the Messiah that dies not only for them but for all the world! So hopefully everyone (possibly even confused David? ) understands the LAW (and salvation gospel more so ) never saves anyone from sin but ONLY points out WHAT SIN IS AND SINNER IS! GEESH! It seems all to simple!
Or is that just David's 'nonsensical gibberish in between' his posts that are confusing him???
Of course rsvp and David 'believes' Christians will actually become FORCED ROBOTS that do not sin come resurrection day 
, when the Bible is clear this happens well before well before the 'glorfication' time period 
, that is just for a new body (that rsvp does not understand 
), not a change of heart and mind that takes place during that 'sanctification' process time for His saints! 
A strange doctrine indeed is that of apostle of satan that David still claims to be! 
How would you like to be in David's shoes come judgment day friends, when David says BUT LORD I claimed your righteousness so I could continue to be unrighteous! 
Butttttt 'lord' did you not give me a license to keep on sinning like the others in my 'church' believed and taught that are standing next to me, nodding their heads, as we speak? 
Then the last words David and company will hear is - depart from me you workers of 'inquity'- meaning continual LAW breakers! 
You see friends David somehow thinks you can like break the Sabbath commandment and NOT be a LAWBREAKER but the Bible says when you break one you have broke them all! 
AMEN! 
