Thread: Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
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Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
Posted : 27 Feb, 2021 05:14 PM
No, a Christian cannot achieve sinless perfection; that is, on this side of heaven. Though there are Christians who say they do not sin anymore, they are in error. In order to achieve a sinless state of perfection, the Christian’s motivations would have to be pure and perfect at all times because God looks at the condition of the heart as well as our actions. Consider the following verses.
Matthew 5:28, “but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.“
Matthew 22:37, “And He said to him, “‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’”
Matthew 22:39, “‘The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’”
We see that Jesus taught that the intention of the heart is important to God. This is because God’s heart is perfect. He is holy which is why He says in 1 Peter 1:16, “Be holy, for I am holy.” God is the standard of holiness, and Jesus reveals the necessity of the perfect standard.
Can any Christian say that his heart is perfect and that he never falters? That he never looks upon a woman with impure thoughts? That he loves the Lord God with all of his heart, and that he loves his neighbor as himself, all with a perfect state of mind? The standard is absolute purity. None of us can claim that.
But there are those who say the Bible says we do not sin.
1 John 3:6, “No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.”
1 John 3:9, “No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
1 John 5:18, “We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.”
The Bible is not saying that we don’t sin. Those verses in 1 John are talking about abiding in sin. That is not what Christians do. In fact, 1 John earlier in the same epistle states the following.
1 John 1:8, “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.”
1 John 2:1, “My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”
Notice that John the apostle includes himself in the issue of sinning. Are the sinless perfectionist people more holy than John the apostle? I think not.
So, a Christian is to struggle against his sin and to see this before God. But we cannot say that every intention of our hearts is always perfect and pure. If it were, we would not need an intercessor before God once we are saved. The idea of sinless perfectionism is an error that is refuted by Scripture.
QUESTIONS
a) the bible warns against bearing a false witness so if we tell unbelieving co workers families and friends that we are sinless when we are not the scriptures warn that we will be found out , wouldn't that damage our testimony?
Luke 12:3 ..........and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops
b) One of the reasons for the assumption of a human nature by the Christ is so that the Christ might be tempted as a man and be able to sympathize with men (Heb. 2:14-18). If we elevate Christ’s impeccability in a way that casts aside his temptability, is that not out of step with Scripture ?
c) God is immutable unchanging For example, in Malachi 3:6 God affirms, "I the Lord do not change." doesn't fly off the handle easily , nor a respecter of persons , doesn't entertain him pure thoughts etc etc
So even if a born-again Christian maintains they are sinless in their daily walk are they not attributing the divine attribute of immutability to themselves which is only reserved for God?
Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
Posted : 5 Mar, 2021 06:45 AM
For you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgement, for in which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
Posted : 5 Mar, 2021 07:55 AM
The topic is about being sinless.
The judgement is for God, and His judgement is His word, and every soul that does evil, has the same deeds returned to him.
If we do no evil to anyone, what can we expect..
Romans 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will RENDER TO MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
We assure our hearts before God by having the love of God in us, not the hared of the devil, deeds not words , can we read yet ...
1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
Posted : 5 Mar, 2021 01:18 PM
Moondim! Your very 'dim' in your understanding of the topic as USUAL! The topic is about being sinless, as Adam said! Try to pay attention even if you cannot afford to pay that bill (paying attention! ) this moonth!
You see your Moon is very dim yet today, that if you continue to live in sinning WILLFULLY which of course is 'practicing' it, if your doing ANY kind of sin, then come resurrection day you will be - he/she that is filthy still, let him/her be filthy still'!!! OUCH to you Moondim!
The GOAL is to be - 'he/she that is righteous still, let him/her be righteous still' at His coming! Correct?
Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
Posted : 5 Mar, 2021 05:42 PM
Marcouse writes - I'm not excusing anything, but to say we don't know what is being done with our tax money is a lie. We pretty much have it shoved in our face all the time, you would have to be blind not to see the continual corruption in the system.'
But it is obvious you are using paying taxes, is somehow sinning just because we don't know exactly WHAT the money is all used for! Are Christians
responsible for partly sinful leaders in high places? Do you believe the mostly corrupt media that tells you everything and that is somehow a sin now?
You see Marcouse, when you know something is wrong like abortion, privately owned interest baring money system (federal reserve) deficit, hoax global warming, wars to make money, etc etc you PROTEST them of our so called leaders! Got it? Its a trap system of good verses evil and YHWH is in charge knowing it HAS TO GET SO BAD that He will eventually come to get His people because of it to FULFILL PROPHECY! Got it? So according to you, people are sinning by being forced into that system of good and bad, when they do not have a choice??? Really Marcouse?
Lets look at the 'mark of the beast' CHOICE of the Bible, where it CLEARLY says if you take that mark (chose it), even though you was once saved, your name is NOW removed from the 'book of life' for willfully taking it! You will be eternally dead come judgment day in the one day made lake of fire to become ashes the Bible says! That mark is about loyalty to the Creator in OBEDIENT worship, its about the TIME EVENT that you worship Him on, according to His commandments, over manmade counterfeit commandments, in TRUE worship, according to His instructions! You see, taking the 'mark of the beast' is a CONTINUAL sin that you cannot repent of because you are continually following/committing it! Do you see the difference? Much like if I was to marry a woman that is a so called 'divorced' or 'separated' I would be CONTINUALLY sinning, which is
CONTINUAL ADULTERY! Correct? Can't repent of some kind of sin you keep doing, can you??? This is what rsvp, littledavid, quiznos, moondim
keep tell us its ok to keep doing those sins because we have a 'license to sin' they say! Right? Its their version of heresy of 'righteousness by continual sinning' and the more you sin the more RIGHTEOUS you are! Praise the LORD they say! halleluiah they say!
Marcouse writes - 'So the Germans were guilt free for not only allowing Hitler into power but acquiescing and allowing their Jewish neighbors to be slaughtered? Those perpetrating the actions were ok because they were only following orders?'
Did you forget the even bigger RELIGIOUS war on Jews, Muslims, Albigensians and the Waldensians etc etc. by ROME, the ROMAN cathoholic 'church' called the inquistion??? The coming of modern converted Christians to Biblical Law will be next according to the Bible. Its all about
POWER over the people led by none other than satan and his ROMAN cathoholic 'church' verses the TRUE converted Christians to Biblical Law!
So what was your point about the actual KNOWING Germans that carried out those religious crimes of killing, it IS A SIN and those allowing and KNOWING it, will be judged unless they TRULY repented, another words didn't know that it would come to that in slaughter of Jews? To 'much is given, much is required' according to the Bible I keep quoting to you. The rest of the German people that had not a clue what actually took place are sinning according to you??? Not hardly! Lets just assume they did and afterward they TRULY repented when they found out the truth. The Bible says
they are forgiven of those sins, right? Are they still slaughtering Jews today? NOPE! You beginning to see the difference in CONTINUALLY sinning verses sins you have turned away from (repentance)? The point I'm trying to make is 'christians" today cannot be TRUE Christians if they are going
back to the same old sins! Another words you will eventually get victory over your 'pet' sins you USE to love doing! Correct?
Marcouse writes - 'History always repeats itself and at some point we will have to pick a side and face the consequences.'
So true! If we repeat DISOBEDIENCE to the Creator's Torah Law, 'at some point we will have to pick a side and face the consequences.' WELL SAID!
Marcouse also writes - 'Paul didn't say you won't sin he told you not too which is not the same thing.'
Well if that is true that Paul said that (NOT hardly!) and your personal interpretation of it, then he is contradicting what the rest of the Apostles taught, not to mention the Messiah Himself said 'go and sin no more' of any particular sin, like the harlot woman was about to be stoned for her caught sin! Correct?
I'm glad you are not here just to win any argument either, like me, because I also enjoy 'debating' and I also want to 'fill in as many holes in my own knowledge and thinking as possible' (and make changes in my life) and YES , the 'more people that can chip in the better with any opinion.' But the big problem is, like with Moon, is when you disagree/challenge her or even WARN her like the Bible says to do with her obvious posted sins she thinks is ok to commit, they accuse you of 'judging' as to attempt to silence you for speaking 'opinion' AND OR ACTUAL BIBLICAL TRUTH!
Should a Christian claim to be sinless this side of eternity? -- bonus questions @ the bottom of the message
Posted : 6 Mar, 2021 12:43 AM
I am sure debating is fine. In eternal life, there is no more pain, sorrow, death, because these are what need to be gone.
Debating, does not take the pains away, they are ignoring them totally, while we focus on what pleases ourselves.
A simple thought, the ones in pain, miseries, and suffering, they want debate, chat, or they want an end to the suffering ? It is ended by us forgetting our own discussions, and obeying what is testified, to NOT LOVE IN WORD, (debate) but in deed, an end to debate and a beginning to caring.
That is why edifying only comes through charity, nobody has a clue until they follow the way of laying their lives down for others, again, debate helps nobody, or when we need help, we can ask any debater, can you help me through your debate.
The Gospel is preached then the end comes, did somebody see it testified somewhere, that our own words last forever, and have that or any importance, or that instead, we answer for every word we spoke ?
The testimony is enough.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
Your very 'dim' in your understanding of the topic as USUAL! 
The topic is about being sinless, as Adam said! 
Try to pay attention even if you cannot afford to pay that bill (paying attention! ) this moonth! 
OUCH to you Moondim! 
Correct? 
Are Christians 
Got it? Its a trap system of good verses evil and YHWH is in charge knowing it HAS TO GET SO BAD that He will eventually come to get His people because of it to FULFILL PROPHECY! 
Really Marcouse? 
You will be eternally dead come judgment day in the one day made lake of fire to become ashes the Bible says! 
You see, taking the 'mark of the beast' is a CONTINUAL sin that you cannot repent of because you are continually following/committing it! 
Correct? Can't repent of some kind of sin you keep doing, can you??? 
Right? Its their version of heresy of 'righteousness by continual sinning' and the more you sin the more RIGHTEOUS you are! 
Praise the LORD they say! 