Quiznos, getting back with you now on what you posted. It seems when someone is trying to make a point, you want to distract as its not meeting your false teaching agenda! I was not out of context to the subject of the cultish "trinity" teaching by the verse examples I gave compared to the OBVIOUS contradiction of Matthew 28:19 to that of Acts 2:38; Acts 8:16; Acts 10:48; Acts 19:5
and Galatians 3:27. What I posted was not meant to discuss the doctrine of the baptism but to compare in who's name converted Christians ARE to be baptized in! How did you miss that? Oh I know you did on purpose to distract, right? So its irrelevant you even bring the context thing up, nor the present/past tense etc etc because it makes no difference on the subject we are actually discussing in the point I'm trying to make! So now that has been addressed, lets get back to what else you had to say that is ACTUALLY of "substance" from you "to add to the post" of the ACTUAL subject of this "trinity" thing you obviously believe in???
"student Quiznos" states - "The name of the Father reveals who He is and what He is like, the same can be said of the SON and the Holy Spirit."
Ok we know the Fathers name is Yahuwah and His set apart WORD (which is of Himself) originally, He later put that part of Himself in the HUMAN flesh and called it His "Son" and gave it a name of Yah'shua! So where is your "doctrine teaching" of the name of His set apart Holy Spirit??? YOU have a problem don't YOU? If all 3 are separate "persons" or "YHWH'S" as you claim then why no Hebrew name for the Holy Spirit???
Finally "student Quiznos" writes - "The Father's name has been fulfilled in the SON, that is why Messiah can say, that the Father is in me, and i am in the Father. I and the Father are one, But not the same person as you believe."
First it should be noted that you left off your all important "trinity doctrine" when you left out YOUR self made third "person" or "YHWH" in your comment! Why? Would not YOUR "Spirit" be also in the "name" or by "named" be all are one like the other two??? I AGREE that Father Yahuwah and Yah'shua the Son ARE ONE (but not like confusing you teaches!) in the beginning when
Yah'shua was NOT Yah'shua but the Father's set apart WORD! Its true that there is Father Yahuwah and NOW Father Yah'shua in the flesh that died for us! Are you starting to see the REAL gospel message of ONENESS now that died for us? Imagine now THE ONE and ONLY CREATOR sending a PART of HIMSELF, put in flesh, so He knows what it is like to be in potential sinful flesh, yet to sin NOT and BEAT SATAN at his own game! Most importantly show His love for us in giving us another chance to eternal life by His death for our sins thru His WORD! AGAIN the Bible is plain to see below!
John 1:1,2 (KJV) "In the beginning was the Word (Of Yahuwah!), and the Word (before becoming Yah'shua in the flesh) was with YHWH, and the Word (before becoming Yah'shua in the flesh) was God. The same (WORD!) was in the beginning with YHWH."
John 1:14 (KJV) "And the Word was made flesh (Yah'shua!), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory [He lived like us, was human!], the glory as of the only begotten [originally the Father's WORD!] of the Father,) full of grace and truth." AMEN!
So AGAIN I ask where is YOUR third "person" of 3 "YHWH'S"??? There IS Father Yahuwah's set apart Holy Spirit but the Bible makes it clear that there is ONLY ONE YHWH with His "characteristic parts" of His set part WORD and set apart Holy Spirit, and "they" are all ONE and the SAME from the beginning!
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: >>and these three are one.<<"
Crystal clear now "student Quiznos"? Hey, I asked R123 and he never responded to what I repost here below, probably because he would have to admit first of all of taking Scripture out of context and secondly that the next verse he failed to post gives more thought on his ASSUMED "trinity doctrine" that he also "believes" for one reason or another. Can you answer it?
For Yah'shua says in - "Matthew 28:19 KJV "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Ahhh but what of the continuation of verse 19 into 20 that MANY Bible students seem to overlook???
Matthew 28:20 KJV (And) "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
So why doesn't Yah'shua say in plural then "to observe all things whatsoever" WE "have commanded you:" AND "lo," WE ARE "with you always, even unto the end of the world." if they were three "G-ds" in a "trinity" of "persons" that so many WIDE PATH "churches" teach today??? Good question? Yes? No? Where is the weight of Scriptural evidence now "student Quiznos" to that of 1 John 5:7 posted above?
Quiznos and Satan both teach that Jesus is not God and that we are not saved by the blood of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. They also teach that the New Testament is not inspired by God.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??
John 1:1-4,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD*. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was **LIFE** and that **LIFE**was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father.
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!
John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"
**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!
Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!
Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"
**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**
Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!
Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!
Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!
There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."
John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!
NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!
Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!
Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
And there will be Two eternal thrones in the eternal New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21:22-23; 22:3: I did not see a temple in the City, because the Lord God Almighty and the **LAMB**are its temple, The City does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it for the glory of God gives its light and the **LAMB** is its Lamp!...The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the city!
Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on **MY THRONE**!just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on **HIS THRONE**!"
God has always been and he has always known himself perfectly and loved himself perfectly. In the knowing of himself perfectly there stands forth a perfect image of himself the he knows - the Son (Hebrews 1:3). In loving the Son the Spirit stands forth as a third member of the Trinity who embodies that love as a Person in himself. Spirit is God loving God and the Son is God knowing God and the knowledge of God is so full of what God the Father is that he is a Person in His own right. And the Spirit is so full of what the Father has towards the Son he is himself a Person of the Trinity.
So you got God the Father knowing and God Father loving and the Son and the Spirit. Man is created with 2 powers. We know and we love. We rationalize and we will. The will and and the affections are not distinct faculties. Affections are the energy level of the will. You want people to know and you want people to feel. Knowing is not enough. Feeling is not enough. Right doctrine and right affection to what is known is what creates a Christian. God is one essence in three Persons. Each Person of the Trinity has a center of consciousness.
Where do you get this "STUFF" as your source because you CERTAINLY do not get it from the Bible. Where does Yahuwah the Father ever call His set apart Holy Spirit "the Son the Spirit" or as a "person" that He loved??? The Bible is real clear the Father moved about by His Spirit when Creation began as we know it in Genesis 1:1,2. Please note that the Bible says he moved about by "the Spirit of Yah" NOT that the Holy Spirit IS... A ... YHWH! BIG difference! Correct? Tell me this, IF IF IF the Holy Spirit is a YHWH and created the earth and creation week began, then where does that leave the Father and His WORD that later become His stated Son??? You have a problem don't you. Your whole first paragraph is all about calling the Holy Spirit His "Son" and just where in the Bible may I find this silly "trinity 3rd person" OR "Son Spirit" doctrine???
I just exposed your doctrine in your first paragraph about your mystery "Son Spirit" as a problem and now in your second paragraph you imply there are 2 "persons," that there are "2 creation powers" and ONCE again Genesis 1:1,2 is only ONE Creation power mentioned as a fact! You see Yahuwah the Father has a set apart Holy Spirit that He moves about with and created by but don't forget with His WORD He spoke things into existence, which later Himself become His Son in the flesh and called Yah'shua! Finally you state "God is one essence in three Persons" and for the life of me I cannot find that in the Bible these "three" creator "persons" of a silly "trinity" doctrine??? Why is that? Can we as humans be three "persons" in one because we have a body, speak our words by our voice or write them and have a spirit of joy, laughter, anger expressed! Are we then a "trinity" of persons???
Wow dude, I give you the perfectly stated verses in John 1:1,2 of evidence and you tell me I'm taking "scritpure out of context" and its clear you cannot even spell let alone to disrespect the Scriptures by not capitalizing (S) as the Bible Scriptures! Show me where I "twist, mangle and remove scripture" as you state??? You gave not ONE example! Why? Just accusations! Your a FALSE accuser!
Just general DREAMY statements with no substance of PROOF!
Pay attention! BEFORE when the WORD was made flesh, what was it, a "person" and or a separate YHWH??? REALLY? Since the Bible clearly says the WORD in the beginning was YHWH Himself BEFORE, then becoming flesh, put IN the flesh, then how is it a
"person" as another YHWH in the beginning? Its simple really, Yahuwah the Father in the beginning had His set apart WORD (no Son yet) spoken (not written yet that I can find) and His set apart Holy Spirit that you cannot see but only hear! Yahuwah the Father has set apart "parts" to Him for a purpose just like we do on a tiny scale. We as humans have a body, our spoken or written words and expressed spirit of joy, laughter, anger etc as a unique one of a kind soul/person that we are! You see?
John 1:1,2,14 (KJV) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
AGAIN I STATED below but a little revised and updated to help you understand better .......
John 1:1,2 (KJV) "In the beginning was the Word (OF- Yahuwah!), and the Word was (BEFORE becoming Yah'shua - Son in the flesh) with YHWH, and the Word (before becoming Yah'shua - Son in the flesh) was Yahuwah (Himself). The same (SPOKEN WORD OF HIS!) was in the beginning WITH.... WITH.... WITH....YHWH."
John 1:14 (KJV) "And the Word was made flesh (Yah'shua THE Son NOW!), and dwelt (BY THE FATHER) among us, (and we beheld his glory [He, a part of the Father lived like us, as a human!], the glory as of the only begotten [came from, originally the Father's WORD!] of the Father,) full of grace and truth." AMEN 1 and AMEN 2!
You see John NEVER taught a "trinity" doctrine, did he! Correct?
REMEMBER to ALWAYS understand that IMMORTAL Yahuwah is OMNIPRESENT (can be present everywhere at the same time) with His "characteristic parts" of Him for His purpose! MORTAL humans CANNOT be OMNIPRESENT!
Quiznos and Satan both teach that Jesus is not God and that we are not saved by the blood of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. They also teach that the New Testament is not inspired by God.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??
John 1:1-4,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD*. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was **LIFE** and that **LIFE**was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father.
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!
John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"
**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!
Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!
Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"
**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**
Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!
Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!
Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!
There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."
John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!
NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!
Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!
Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
And there will be Two eternal thrones in the eternal New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21:22-23; 22:3: I did not see a temple in the City, because the Lord God Almighty and the **LAMB**are its temple, The City does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it for the glory of God gives its light and the **LAMB** is its Lamp!...The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the city!
Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on **MY THRONE**!just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on **HIS THRONE**!"
In the Morgan thread below this thread- "Nothing can separate us from the love of God" Richard7744 KEEPS posting this verse that he quotes incomplete (below verse) and everywhere in the forum threads! Why?
Richard7744 states this - Isaiah 9:6,7: "For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, **MIGHTY GOD** and Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's **THRONE** and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and **FOREVER**. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this!"
Then in this very thread here Richard7744 keeps posting this one verse version below! Scroll up and look in this thread for yourself!
AND in soooooo many other threads he constantly post the same incomplete Isaiah 9:6 verse!!! Why does he keep doing this???
Richard7744 states this - Isaiah 9:6: "For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!"
THERE IS NO translation that EVER leaves out the words "Everlasting/Eternal/Eternity Father" in any Bibles. Here is what exactly is said in the NIV that Richard7744 typically quotes from below! Note how Richard7744 leaves out "Everlasting Father" above TWICE in his supposed "quotes" of Isaiah 9:6 that are incomplete! He of course leaves off "Prince of Peace" also.
For Isaiah 9:6 REALLY says in the NIV - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, >>>Everlasting Father,<<< Prince of Peace."
Other translations and witnesses below!
Isaiah 9:6 NASB "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, >>>Eternal Father,<<< Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 DRB "For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, GOD THE MIGHTY, >>>the Father of the world to come,<<< the Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 DBT "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name is called Wonderful, Counsellor, MIGHTY GOD, >>>Father of Eternity,<<< Prince of Peace."
Is it obvious that Richard7744 has left out of that verse a very important description of WHO Yah'usha the Messiah REALLY is???
Does Richard7744 dislike Isaiah and thinks he is not inspired??? Richard7744 thinks he needs to correct Isaiah's error he wrote? LOL! Dream on Richard7744!!! Why? Why? WHY does he keep doing this??? MANY times others months ago have called him out on this, yet he keeps posting the SAME old incomplete verse!?
There IS an obvious agenda Richard7744 has in his purpose in leaving out that Yah'shua the Messiah is ALSO the Everlasting Father NOW in the flesh! I would guess that the reason is like LittleDavid has always said, that Richard7744 does not believe by the Scriptures that Yah'shua the Messiah and Yahuwah the Father are equal! Richard7744 has always said in the past that they are not equal. Not sure if LittleDavid even believes that not only are they equal but that they are one in the same from the beginning!? Yet that is exactly what they are, found in John 1:1,2 and 14, as well as the supporting verse in Isaiah 9:6 that Yah'shua the Messiah is ALSO
the "Everlasting Father" Himself that the Father put His very own WORD in the flesh!
Its also interesting now in this very thread that Richard7744 claims, quote - "There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to
say as per John 14:23,24" end quote.... and seems to imply NOW that they are equal??? Has he changed his mind, yet he STILL does not quote Isaiah 9:6 accurately!!! Why? I know better than to ask Richard7744 because he will not answer back, except more copy and paste of the same old Scripture, while changing the CONTEXT meaning of Isaiah 9:6! Wow! Would not want to be in Richard's shoes come judgment day, removing words from Bible verses!!!
AGAIN the Bible is plain to see below!
There IS Father Yahuwah's set apart Holy Spirit but the Bible makes it clear that there is ONLY ONE YHWH with His "characteristic parts" of His set part WORD and set apart Holy Spirit, and "they" are all ONE and the SAME from the beginning! 
Can you answer it? 
Good question? Yes? No? Where is the weight of Scriptural evidence now "student Quiznos" to that of 1 John 5:7 posted above? 
You see Yahuwah the Father has a set apart Holy Spirit that He moves about with and created by but don't forget with His WORD He spoke things into existence, which later Himself become His Son in the flesh and called Yah'shua! 
