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YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 5 Mar, 2020 03:56 PM

1 John 2 verses 1-2



1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

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YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 12 Mar, 2020 09:55 PM

This is interesting, so now you go into FULL BLOWN judgment on me because I post a few verses about the saints keeping "the commandments of God and (HAVING) the faith OF Jesus" and so you claim I'm claiming self righteousness dude! What is your problem dude, where did I say I was perfect??? Then you say you "will enter the kingdom of heaven because Jesus (Yashua) is your

righteousness" and what do you mean actually? You claim his perfect life He lived by THE POWER of His Father in heaven and YOU cannot have that SAME power available to YOU to keep you from continually sinning??? Lack of FAITH on your part WiseWay? Of course we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven on our own merits ALONE because we would need HIS POWER to do good works! Right? Is He coming to get His saints and then make robots out of them so that they do not "sin" anymore???



You speak of Jesus "paying it all" and He DID! You claim you "owe" it all to Him! You are once again correct but you left out His LOVE for us! Why? And how do we show our LOVE back to Him???



John 14:15 KJV "If ye love me, keep my commandments."



Oh wow! I guess we can live some "righteousness" in showing our love BACK to Him but you think we cannot? Or can we? Do we keep making "crimson stains" so He can "wash" us as "white as snow" then??? Over and over again like a pink energizer bunny?



1 John 4:4 KJV "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: >>>because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."<<<



Finally you want me to take Scripture in context (like I don't anyway!?) like in the case of Matt. 5:19 to go with Matt. 5:20??? YET you fail yourself to keep on reading that chapter IN ITS CONTEXT! Why?



Matthew 5:21,22 (KJV) "Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."



Sounds to me WiseWay that you are avoiding my questions once again because here Jesus is speaking about a commandment of "thou shalt not kill" and expounding on it in more detail??? So once again is this one of the ten commandments I keep asking about and want to keep, to show my return LOVE BACK to Jesus?

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YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2020 11:44 AM

Parehtban:

The Gospel (Good News) is that Jesus is the Messiah and is the righteousness for those who are His true followers. You are either devoid of understanding of the Good News or you are on this forum to stir things up. If the latter is true I hope you depart. If the former, I pray you come to an understanding by the power of the Spirit.

Adios.

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YASHUA was the ATONING sacrifice for whose sin, the entire world, or just the elect.
Posted : 16 Mar, 2020 06:49 AM

You call it the Gospel (Good News) and yet you make it BAD NEWS when you just claim "in" Messiah and His righteousness and therefore YOU are powerless (No Grace used) to turn away from sin - which IS IDENTIFIED by His Commandments! YOU Sir DO NOT teach nor live true righteousness by FAITH because YOU only claim "IN" Yah'shua the Messiah His righteousness BUT NOT "OF" Yah'shua the Messiah His righteousness - His FAITHFULNESS! Your "works" are NOT the result of the Father's "works" thru YOU and therefore YOU don't have true righteousness by FAITH! Another words you serve a toothless "g-d' in your mind that cannot deliver YOU from sin, YOU have weak faith! So YOU hide behind your "faith" of only "in "Yah'shua's righteousness, while

continuing to sin daily because YOU are powerless to do so! You refuse to tap into the SAME POWER Yah'shua had with His relationship with His Father Yahuwah in heaven! SAD really, and you claim I'm the one "stirring things up" on this forum!?



You leave out the context of Matthew chapter 5 when you STOP at verse 20 and ignore the Law and Commandments, why? In fact you don't want to even talk about the Commandments of Yahuwah because I guess they scare you or you have a "pet" one you like?



You speak of the "power of the Spirit" and yet you are powerless by that same Holy Spirit to keep you from sinning, which by definition "sin" is the breaking of His Commandments and Laws! I truly HOPE and PRAY you depart from your false beliefs and doctrines soon bubba, before its too late!



Sayonara!

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