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3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 11 Jan, 2020 07:28 PM
I've been back for about three weeks and posed various questions, ALL of which have gone unanswered and unrefuted.
Those here, rather than calmly refuting the obvious answers, choose to call me Satanic, unsaved and without knowledge. Prophetic unwilling to admit the answers, goes into frenzied fits of repetitive posting trying to cover up the truth. He is scared to death of the answers!
Therefore I thought I would put the 3 most obvious questions all in one place.
(Disclaimer: I am a born again follower of Jesus, knowing and admitting the obvious answers without it affecting my faith one iota. I can do this because I follow Jesus, rather than man made doctrines)
✔️Question #1) The Bible claims infallibility in that it is perfect for what GOD intends it to do. (Agreed). However Where does the Bible ever claim 100% inerrancy for ALL the Books of the Bible❓
✔️Question #2) Where does the Bible claim YOU have the RIGHT to judge others, condemning them to hell based on doctrines NOT EXPLICITLY taught in the Bible❓ (for example; the Trinity)
✔️Question #3) Where does the Bible give Paul the AUTHORITY to CHANGE or write NEW LAW BINDING on everyone for all time under threat of hell❓
A couple here might have the chance of a honest answer, however surely prophetic unable to cope with the obvious answers will again go into fits of frenzied Bible quotations without explanations. Proving he is afraid of the truth. 😬
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 11:57 AM
Chuck,
1. The question is assumes a false premise. Something can't dictate something else if it wasn't known/compiled yet. We would assume authority on the Bible based on what is determined to be scripture/God's Word. If He said something, then it is. Also, when you ask about the Bible, which bible? As their are various versions. Scripture as given by God is inerrant. Text as reinterpreted by man is subject to falsification.
2. We judge justly and necessarily with two or more as witnesses. We don't independently go around looking for fault or to make false claims. Of course if someone does something wrong, such as murder or steal, then it is good to have more than one person speak on the matter and determine what is considered just in the sight in God, whiling bearing in mind that the standard we judge by we will be subject to in judgment as well.
3. Paul was a man who had a unique relationship with the Lord. I give consideration to his position, but I also know he was a man with faults similar to my own. When I look at law, I look at what I know God declared directly or through man. I wouldn't take any of Paul's words lightly, but as all things, we should test them through study and prayer. especially when there is uncertainty.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think it's better to explain what I believe because these aren't simple matters.
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 01:57 PM
Chuckles comes to a Christian Forum teaching about 95 percent of what Orthodox Jews believe since he believes we are saved by doing good works and obeying OT laws. If anyone disagrees with his teaching Chuckles claims they are a racist ant-Semite, and an unrepenting **LIAR** who misuses and wrongly translates Scripture. He also hogs about 66.6 Percent of the new threads. Actually he is a terrible theologian and is only good at taking one out of context Scripture to prove his teachings. The only other thing Chuckles is good at is calling everyone who disagrees with his Satanic teachings, terrible names.
Every born from above believer believes every word of Pauline's epistles is the Word of God!!
Chuckles Satanic Quotes:
"Paul's advice should stand or fall on its own, rather than being declared words from the lips of God and therefore "New Commandments." "Paul's advice is not a New Commandment from God."
"Who made Paul's words into God's word for all churches for all time????
"You have no Scriptural support to back your assertion that Paul can impose (new) Commandments as Moses and Jesus."
"Who gave Paul equal authority with Moses and Jesus to write new commandments?"
***NEITHER MOSES OR PAUL HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE NEW COMMANDMENTS**!!
2 Peter 1:20-21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!
God the Father inspired the 32 writers of the OT to write what He wanted them to write. Just as God the Father gave Jesus all authority in the New and better Covenant of faith and love.
John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear . But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, an he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** THAT HE WILL RECEIVE WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**! All that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said the Spirit will **RECEIVE FROM ME** what he will make known to you.
Hebrews 12:2: Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTOR** OF OUR FAITH**!!**!!
Matthew 28:18-20: ! Therefore Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and earth has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**{The entire New Testament}. And surely I am with you always to the very end of the age!
And so Jesus told the Holy Spirit what he should inspire the 8 writers of the New and better Covenant to write the New and Better Covenant which included about 400 New Covenant commandments all inspired by Jesus!!!
2 Timothy 3:15; 4:1-3: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus {The Author of the NT}, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD** {The **ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Chuckles} will not put up with sound doctrine.
And in AD 96 Jesus added the book of Revelation to the New Testament which Chuckles treats like a fairy tale.
Revelation 22:16,18,19: I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone {Like Chuckles}**ADDS* anything to them, God will *ADD* to that person the plagues described in this book {Which will include eternal torment in hell as per Rev 14:9-11}. And if anyone**TAKES WORDS AWAY** { Like the Preterists, Chuckles Sadlup, ADAM777 and Hark} God will **TAKE AWAY** from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The ETERNAL **NEW JERUSALEM**} which are described in this book!!
Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"
Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!
What did Jesus and the Word of God say about the Apostle Paul in Acts and in 2 Peter 3:15-16??
Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and **TO HEAR WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH**. **YOU WILL BE HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE** of what you have seen and heard.
Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, "Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** AS A SERVANT AND AS A WITNESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME**! I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"
Acts 9:15: The Lord Jesus said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"
Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"
Chuckles &Satan claim the above 4 Scriptures that God inspired Luke to write are lies, thus making God a liar. These are definitely unpardonable sins which will earn chuckles eternal torment in hell.
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, {Like Chuckles} as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!{Which would be eternal torment in hell}
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one {Like Chuckles} who does not accept My words, the very words I have spoken {In Acts 9:15 & Acts 26:16-18 above} will condemn them at the Last Day!"
Satan and Chuckles would love for you to join them in hell
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 03:27 PM
"I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think it's better to explain what I believe because these aren't simple matters"
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TOTH,
I can appreciate your need to explain, However I DO view these things as simple matters. In fact the most simple of matters. Therefore my simple answers. It has been my experience that reluctance or refusal of these simple truths are directly proportional to the amount of indoctrination a person has.
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 03:43 PM
Chuckles comes to a Christian Forum teaching about 95 percent of what Orthodox Jews believe since he believes we are saved by doing good works and obeying OT laws. If anyone disagrees with his teaching Chuckles claims they are a racist ant-Semite, and an unrepenting **LIAR** who misuses and wrongly translates Scripture. He also hogs about 66.6 Percent of the new threads. Actually he is a terrible theologian and is only good at taking one out of context Scripture to prove his teachings. The only other thing Chuckles is good at is calling everyone who disagrees with his Satanic teachings, terrible names.
Every born from above believer believes every word of Pauline's epistles is the Word of God!!
Chuckles Satanic Quotes:
"Paul's advice should stand or fall on its own, rather than being declared words from the lips of God and therefore "New Commandments."
"Paul's advice is not a New Commandment from God."
"Who made Paul's words into God's word for all churches for all time????
"You have no Scriptural support to back your assertion that Paul can impose (new) Commandments as Moses and Jesus."
"Who gave Paul equal authority with Moses and Jesus to write new commandments?"
***NEITHER MOSES OR PAUL HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE NEW COMMANDMENTS**!!
2 Peter 1:20-21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!
God the Father inspired the 32 writers of the OT to write what He wanted them to write. Just as God the Father gave Jesus all authority in the New and better Covenant of faith and love.
John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear . But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, an he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** THAT HE WILL RECEIVE WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**! All that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said the Spirit will **RECEIVE FROM ME** what he will make known to you.
Hebrews 12:2: Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTOR** OF OUR FAITH**!!**!!
Matthew 28:18-20: ! Therefore Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and earth has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**{The entire New Testament}. And surely I am with you always to the very end of the age!
And so Jesus told the Holy Spirit what he should inspire the 8 writers of the New and better Covenant to write the New and Better Covenant which included about 400 New Covenant commandments all inspired by Jesus!!!
2 Timothy 3:15; 4:1-3: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus {The Author of the NT}, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD** {The **ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Chuckles} will not put up with sound doctrine.
And in AD 96 Jesus added the book of Revelation to the New Testament which Chuckles treats like a fairy tale.
Revelation 22:16,18,19: I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone {Like Chuckles}**ADDS* anything to them, God will *ADD* to that person the plagues described in this book {Which will include eternal torment in hell as per Rev 14:9-11}. And if anyone**TAKES WORDS AWAY** { Like the Preterists, Chuckles Sadlup, ADAM777 and Hark} God will **TAKE AWAY** from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The ETERNAL **NEW JERUSALEM**} which are described in this book!!
Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"
Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!
What did Jesus and the Word of God say about the Apostle Paul in Acts and in 2 Peter 3:15-16??
Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and **TO HEAR WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH**. **YOU WILL BE HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE** of what you have seen and heard.
Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, "Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** AS A SERVANT AND AS A WITNESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME**! I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"
Acts 9:15: The Lord Jesus said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"
Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"
Chuckles &Satan claim the above 4 Scriptures that God inspired Luke to write are lies, thus making God a liar. These are definitely unpardonable sins which will earn chuckles eternal torment in hell.
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, {Like Chuckles} as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!{Which would be eternal torment in hell}
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one {Like Chuckles} who does not accept My words, the very words I have spoken {In Acts 9:15 & Acts 26:16-18 above} will condemn them at the Last Day!"
Satan and Chuckles would love for you to join them in hell
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 04:29 PM
Chuckk quote:
✔️Question #1) The Bible claims infallibility in that it is perfect for what GOD intends it to do. (Agreed). However Where does the Bible ever claim 100% inerrancy for ALL the Books of the Bible❓
End quote
Let's take a look at the word infallable:
The quality of being infallible; the inability to be wrong.
"his judgment became impaired by faith in his own infallibility"
(in the Roman Catholic Church) the doctrine that in specified circumstances the Pope is incapable of error in pronouncing dogma.
Biblical inerrancy is the belief that the Bible "is without error or fault in all its teaching"; or, at least, that "Scripture in the original manuscripts does not affirm anything that is contrary to fact"
Scripture speaks for itself but let me ask you this...Is Yahuwah faithful to make the sun rise and set and the moon to shine at night with differing phases and the stars twinkle and shine?
Then HE is also faithful to preserve His word.
2 Timothy 3:16–17, “All Scripture is God-breathed”
2 Peter 1:19, “We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable.
God’s Word is “perfect, refreshing the soul” (Psalm 19:7) because God Himself is perfect.
God is truthful and perfectly reliable (John 14:6; 17:3), and so is His Word (John 17:17).
The Bible claims complete (as opposed to partial) perfection in Psalm 12:6, Psalm 19:7, Proverbs 30:5, and many other places. It is factual throughout and, in fact, judges us (rather than vice-versa), “The word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).
Kinda busy at the moment but that should answer question 1 hopefully.
✔️Question #2) Where does the Bible claim YOU have the RIGHT to judge others, condemning them to hell based on doctrines NOT EXPLICITLY taught in the Bible❓ (for example; the Trinity)
Paul rebuked false teachings but even when Paul knew of a >>>>brother <<<< who was having relations with his stepmother he turned him over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so he would be buffeted and come back to the Father like the prodigal son so there are harsh consequences to disobedience . In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul commands the church "not to associate with sexually immoral people," which to obey, requires making a judgment. He further writes, "Are you not to judge those inside (the church)? . . . 'Expel the wicked person from among you.'"
So yeah, we are to judge .
And Paul in 1 Corinthians 4:5 says we should refrain from judging someone else's heart, but allow God to do that at the appointed time: "He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."
The point of judging others is not to condemn them, but to restore them. Paul said we should discipline an immoral Christian "so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord."
In everything, we must be motivated by love.
✔️Question #3) Where does the Bible give Paul the AUTHORITY to CHANGE or write NEW LAW BINDING on everyone for all time under threat of hell❓
We have been down that rabbit trail before Boss but maybe define H E L L for us?
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 04:54 PM
KJonly
1) Yes there is a subtle difference between infallibility and inerrancy
2) The question was judging and condemning for non-explicit Biblical doctrine. Sin is explicitly defined, therefore a different matter.
3) Biblical authority for Paul to change and write new Laws? There is none. Therefore people have a choice to follow his teaching, but not to impose it on others at the threat of hell.
4) Hell as defined by most Christians is not in the Bible. If one looks closer it is either the grave (Sheol) or the garbage dump (Gehenna). There might be one more word iirc, but it is rare.
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 04:54 PM
Quoth the Toth..
It's dependent on what we got right, and that's faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Even once you get to that point, it's not an end, but rather a beginning to learn and grow.
End quote
It has been my thoughts also, providing they have the right Jesus and Gospel.
I think that is why some people are still single because they want EVERY little detail to line up with their beliefs instead of sitting down together and seeing where scripture leads on the minor issues.
With that being said, that is why I am soon to be married.
Of course some people want a perfect 10, assets, money, etc and it is all about what you can do for them. So many people make such a huge issue of finding a marriage partner. In the Bible, it was Yahuwah first and the marriage partner of no real significance as long as they were a true believer, full of integrity.. Abraham sent his servant to get a wife for his Son Isaac and the servant prayed to know WHICH ONE to bring back because he didn't know who she was. The Sovereign God Almighty, Jehovah Elohim said it was the woman He would send out with water when the servant arrived. I don't recall Isaac praying to God for a well endowed woman or one with a model face...seriously.
The man Yah chose for me is one I never expected . It is his character and heart that I see and why I understand now why he is the one. It is too , too unreal . I remember getting vids in my email to watch before I met him and some was about qualities that most people overlook or the fact that he or she may not LOOK like your ideal in your mind. I would have overlooked him if the ball was in my court. I am glad I trusted Yah and prayed for Him to confirm things for me. I am amazed at who He gave me and he feels the same about me. We are going to have one awesome journey together ...all 3 of us .
3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS (for those claiming to follow Jesus)
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 04:57 PM
Chuckk, no answer will satisfy you because you’re like your brother the Pinocchio Prophetic and a lot of other religious folk. Your and his traditions of men always trump the word of God.
I’ve quoted scripture to the Pinocchio prophetic that directly contradicts his phony false use of scripture but facts done matter to him just like they don’t matter to you
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