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People! You have a serious problem. (and it's not the Trinity).
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 01:56 PM
The doctrine of the "Trinity" is not that important to me. I can take it or leave it. It doesn't matter. However you people are willing to stone me or crucify me even though I'm a follower of Jesus, just because I don't buy into your doctrine. That isn't the kind of Christianity Jesus taught-----------------------------------------------------------------
I notice the GLBT community has the same attitude. It's not enough to live and let live. They demand you to believe as them. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I notice Jesus had an Oral Torah that differed from the Pharisees. They demanded Jesus believe as them. When he didn't, they had him killed.---------------------------------------------------- The number one leading persecutor of Christianity has been Christianity. More Christians have died at the hands of other Christians than any other group!------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ However, I will entertain your answers to this question:----------------------------- **Where does Jesus, or the entire New Testament for that matter give a peshat teaching (the intended, explicit meaning) that one MUST believe in the Trinity to be saved?**------------------- I'm listening
People! You have a serious problem. (and it's not the Trinity).
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 10:44 AM
All born from above saints believe that God's Word clearly teaches that Jesus is God which Chuckles denies.
Not all Christians believe that the holy spirit is God since the holy spirit is never called Lord or God and is never worshiped; and in our eternal home in the New Jerusalem there will only be **TWO THRONES FOR JESUS AND THE FATHER** as per Revelation 22:3: "The throne of God and the **LAMB** will be in the City!" {In our Eternal Home the New Jerusalem!!}
Revelation 3:21: To those who are victorious, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne , just as I was victorious and sat down with My Father on His throne!"
Isaiah 9:6--7: For unto us a **CHILD** is born, to us a **SON** is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor ,**MIGHTY GOD**! and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government **THERE WILL BE NO END**. He will reign on David's throne and over His Kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness **FROM THAT TIME ON AND ****FOREVER****.
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told
him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: *WE** wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
So Satan's followers all deceptively say Jesus is lord but will never admit that Jesus is God like Chuckles.
People! You have a serious problem. (and it's not the Trinity).
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 11:10 AM
All born from above saints believe that God's Word clearly teaches that Jesus is God which Chuckles denies
Not all Christians believe that the holy spirit is God since the holy spirit is never called Lord or God and is never worshiped; and in our eternal home in the New Jerusalem there will only be **TWO THRONES FOR JESUS AND THE FATHER** as per Revelation 22:3: "The throne of God and the **LAMB** will be in the City!" {In our Eternal Home the New Jerusalem!!}
Revelation 3:21: To those who are victorious, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne , just as I was victorious and sat down with My Father on His throne!"
Isaiah 9:6--7: For unto us a **CHILD** is born, to us a **SON** is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor ,**MIGHTY GOD**! and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government **THERE WILL BE NO END**. He will reign on David's throne and over His Kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness **FROM THAT TIME ON AND ****FOREVER****.
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told
him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears. and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME**that he will receive **WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**!"
And so Jesus told the holy spirit what to inspire the 8 writers of the New Testament exactly what to write which would include the 4 passages in John which confirms that Jesus is God!!
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who does accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the Last Day!" {With eternal torment in hell}
So Satan's followers all deceptively say Jesus is lord but will never admit that Jesus is God like Chuckles
People! You have a serious problem. (and it's not the Trinity).
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 12:30 PM
All born from above saints believe that God's Word clearly teaches that Jesus is God which Chuckles denies.
Not all Christians believe that the holy spirit is God since the holy spirit is never called Lord or God and is never worshiped; and in our eternal home in the New Jerusalem there will only be **TWO THRONES FOR JESUS AND THE FATHER** as per Revelation 22:3: "The throne of God and the **LAMB** will be in the City!" {In our Eternal Home the New Jerusalem!!}
Revelation 3:21: To those who are victorious, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne , just as I was victorious and sat down with My Father on His throne!"
Isaiah 9:6--7: For unto us a **CHILD** is born, to us a **SON** is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor ,**MIGHTY GOD**! and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government **THERE WILL BE NO END**. He will reign on David's throne and over His Kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness **FROM THAT TIME ON AND ****FOREVER****.
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told
him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears. and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME**that he will receive **WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**!"
Hebrews 12:2: So we fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!
And so Jesus told the holy spirit what to inspire the 8 writers of the New Testament exactly what to write which would include the 4 passages in John which confirms that Jesus is God!!
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who does accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the Last Day!" {With eternal torment in hell}
So Satan's followers all deceptively say Jesus is lord but will never admit that Jesus is God like Chuckles.
**JESUS CHRIST** is also called **THE LAMB OF GOD** **THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE** **THE GOOD SHEPHERD** **JUDGE** **LORD OF LORDS** **HEAD OF THE CHURCH** **MASTER** **FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS** **THE ROCK** **HIGH PRIEST** **THE DOOR** **LIVING WATER** **BREAD OF LIFE** **ROSE OF SHARON** **ALPHA AND OMEGA** **THE BEGINNING AND THE END** THE TRUE VINE** **TEACHER** **PROPHET** **ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD** **HOLY ONE** **ONLY MEDIATOR** **LIGHT OF THE WORLD** **IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD** **THE WORD** **CHIEF CORNERSTONE** **SAVIOR** **AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH** **THE ALMIGHTY** **KING OF KINGS** **PRINCE OF PEACE** **SON OF MAN** **REDEEMER** **BRIGHT MORNING STAR** **THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE**!!
People! You have a serious problem. (and it's not the Trinity).
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 03:58 PM
Revelation 5:11-14: Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and then thousand times ten thousands They encircled the throne and the Living Creatures and the Elders. In a loud voice they were saying: :Worthy is the **LAMB** who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne and to the**LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" The Four Living Creatures said "**AMEN**," and the Elders fell down and worshiped.
Revelation 22:8,9: John said, "I fell down to **WORSHIP** at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "Don't do that I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this Book. **WORSHIP GOD**!"
It is interesting to note that only Jesus and His Father were **WORSHIPED BY EVERYONE IN HEAVEN** and the holy spirit is not even mentioned. And why would everyone in heaven be worshiping the **LAMB JESUS** when it is a terrible sin to worship anyone but **GOD**!! Jesus is worshiped 12 other times in the New Testament and the holy spirit is not even worshiped one time??
Hebrews 1:1-4,6: In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many tomes and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us b His Son. Whom He appointed heir of all things, and through Whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the **EXACT**representation of His being, and **SUSTAINING ALL THINGS BY HIS POWERFUL WORD**! After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Se He became as much superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is superior to theirs... God says, ""LET ALL GOD'S ANGELS **WORSHIP HIM**!"
People! You have a serious problem. (and it's not the Trinity).
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 05:39 PM
It just as much a sin to worship anyone or anything but God in the OT as it is in the NT. David was never worshiped and if he was it was a terrible sin in the OT!!
Exodus 20:1-5,16: God spoke all theses things: I am the Lord your God.. you shall have no other gods before Me! You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or In the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing the children of sin.... You shall not give False Witness l{Like Chuckles
