Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 29 Dec, 2019 08:15 PM
A little background on how dangerous Christians were in the first century...
The original name for what would eventually became known as Christianity was “the Way.”
This is what the Apostle Paul said in his hearing before the Roman governor Felix: “I admit that I follow the Way, which they call a cult.” (Acts 24:14)
The radical and dangerous thing about the early Christians was that as they worshiped God in Christ they proclaimed Jesus as emperor! This is what they meant when they confessed, “Jesus is Lord.”
Many citizens of the Roman Empire directed their devotion to Rome through the veneration of the emperor. The cult of emperor worship was a personification of empire worship.
Titles like “Son of God,” “King of Kings,” “Savior of the World,” “Prince of Peace, “Lord of All” were already in circulation as imperial titles on Roman coins. When Christians began re-appropriating these titles in their worship of a crucified Galilean Jew it was a dangerous and provocative move.
So, the Christian refusal to venerate Rome and the emperor in even benign and symbolic ways was viewed as unpatriotic.
Paul was crucified in Rome. Rumor suggests so too was Peter although that is unproven that he was crucified upside down in Rome. The Kingdom of Heaven they announced would form a challenge to the dominant myth that Rome had a manifest destiny to rule the nations and a divine right to shape history. It was deemed a threat.
Nevertheless , as Rev. 11:15 states: “The kingdom of the world >>>has<<< become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
Isaiah 14:24
The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Some people like my friend say that only Constantine in the 3rd century was Pontifex Maximus and therefore prior to that ,Caesars cannot be both a religious and earthly power proving futuristic prophecy .
I will however postulate that Augustus Caesar was also >>>>>Pontifex Maximus: the Roman high priest.<<<<
A Mark (seal, sign, token, frontlet) is placed upon the forehead or hands, either as a sign of a curse or as a sign of redemption.
Genesis 4:15: God places a mark on the covenant breaking Cain, so nobody would kill him.
Exodus 28:36-38: Priests of God wore a gold plate upon their forehead, symbolizing the redeemed man.
Exodus 13:9,16, Deuteronomy 6:6,8; 11:18: A mark upon the forehead and hand was a symbol of total obedience to God’s Law.
Solomon 8:6: A seal upon the heart and arm is symbolic of a love for someone.
Isaiah 49:16: God has graven His people on the palms of His hands as a sign that he would not forget them.
Ezekiel 9:4: A mark upon the forehead was indicative of their allegiance to the Lord in the midst of abomination.
Revelation 13:16-17: The Beast places a mark on the hand or forehead of his followers also. This mark is his name (which represents ones character).
Revelation 14:9-11; 16:2; 19:20: Those who receive the mark of the Beast (worship something other than God) will be tormented. Which means...
Revelation 9:4: Those who do not have the seal of God in their forehead will be tormented. The Beast’s mark is contrasted to God’s mark!
Revelation 20:4: Those who do not receive the Beasts’ mark will be the keepers of God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 15:2: To keep the Word of God is to overcome and be victorious over the mark, or name, or character, of the Beast.
Revelation 3:12: The name of God will be written upon those who overcome.
Revelation 7:3; 14:1; 22:4: Where will the name of God be written? It will be sealed in their foreheads!
Revelation 19:13: What exactly is the name of God that’ll be written in their foreheads? It is The Word Of God! (See also John 1:1,14). In other words, Scripture, God's Word, will be in their hearts, minds, and souls!
John wrote that the number "is the number of a man's name; and his number is 666." This tells us that those who received the "mark" were actually in allegiance with a "man," an actually person of the first century. So, who was he? Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus! Better known as Nero Caesar.
John used a puzzle called gematria in which numbers are used to represent certain letters. John used this puzzle to reveal Nero without actually writing down his name. Remember, the early churches were being persecuted during this time—not only from the Jews, but also from the Romans. The numerical values of the Hebrew letters in Neron Kesar (Nero Caesar) are:
N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200
In Revelation 13:7, the Beast is said to "make war with the saints and to overcome them." Revelation 13:5 says that the beast would conduct such blasphemous warfare for a specific period of time: 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months! Nero fits the bill for the role of the beast!
Revelation 13:10 and 14 says the Beast not only slays by the sword, but ultimately is to die of a sword wound. Do you know how Nero died? According to Suetonius, he "drove a dagger into his throat, aided by Epaphroditus, his private secretary" (ch.49). Nero killed with the sword and was killed by the sword.
Here, in this verse, we have one of the clearest proofs for Nero being the beast. If we simply examine the list of Roman Emperors, we will be able to determine who the sixth king was. Flavius Josephus clearly points out that Julius Caesar was the first emperor of Rome, followed by Augustus; Tiberius; Caius (Caligula); Claudius; and the sixth emperor was…Nero (Antiquities, books 18 and 19), who assumed imperial power upon the death of the fifth emperor, Claudius, in October, A.D. 54. The matter is confirmed just a little later in the writings of Roman historians: Suetonius (Lives of the Twelve Caesars and Dio Cassius, Roman History 5). Nero reigned from 54AD to June of 68AD. John informs us that the seventh king was "not yet come." That would be Galba, who assumed power upon Nero's death in June, A.D. 68. But he was only to continue a "short space." As a matter of historical fact, his reign lasted but six months until January 15, A.D. 69.
Before the world's startled eyes, the seven-headed Beast (Rome) was toppling to its death as its sixth head (Nero) was mortally wounded with the sword.
after a time of grievous civil wars, the Empire was revived by the ascending of Vespasian to the purple.
The Christians of the first century were under the military authority of Rome, a nation which openly proclaimed its rulers, the Caesars, to be divine. All those under the jurisdiction of Rome were required by law to publicly proclaim their allegiance to Caesar by burning a pinch of incense and declaring, "Caesar is Lord". Upon compliance with this law, the people were given a papyrus document called a "libellus", which they were required to present when either stopped by the Roman police or attempting to engage in commerce in the Roman marketplace, increasing the difficulty of "buying or selling" without this mark.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 11:25 AM
And CERTAINLY is the SADIST teaching by his mother is that "Jesus" has already come spiritually in 70 AD, he will NEVER come physically according to the PreTEARist teaching from what I gather in looking into it recently!
Wow! Look at the earth situation today, weather, morals, wars, famines etc etc and you want your son KJO to believe in a "Jesus" that has already come and this is the way things will be FOR EVER????????
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 11:39 AM
All born from above saints believe that God's Word clearly teaches that Jesus is God which Chuckles denies.
Not all Christians believe that the holy spirit is God since the holy spirit is never called Lord or God and is never worshiped; and in our eternal home in the New Jerusalem there will only be **TWO THRONES FOR JESUS AND THE FATHER** as per Revelation 22:3: "The throne of God and the **LAMB** will be in the City!" {In our Eternal Home the New Jerusalem!!}
Revelation 3:21: To those who are victorious, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne , just as I was victorious and sat down with My Father on His throne!"
Isaiah 9:6--7: For unto us a **CHILD** is born, to us a **SON** is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor ,**MIGHTY GOD**! and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government **THERE WILL BE NO END**. He will reign on David's throne and over His Kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness **FROM THAT TIME ON AND ****FOREVER****.
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told
him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears. and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME**that he will receive **WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**!"
Hebrews 12:2: So we fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!
And so Jesus told the holy spirit what to inspire the 8 writers of the New Testament exactly what to write which would include the 4 passages in John which confirms that Jesus is God!!
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who does accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the Last Day!" {With eternal torment in hell}
So Satan's followers all deceptively say Jesus is lord but will never admit that Jesus is God like Chuckles.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 11:59 AM
KJOnly writes,
"If he would get out of his video games and sit down and see where history confirms the Word, he may start to believe"
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Chuckk writes - The harsh reality is I doubt he will ever believe if he has to accept King James Onlyism, Preterism. The Gospel is about none of these things.
end quotes.
And certainly is the most scary teaching by his mother is that Nero was the beast of the book of Revelation, its by his "mark of the beast" long ago, about the time of 70AD, that it no longer applies today!
If his mother is wrong, then both of them will perish if the they take the mark of the beast" the Bible clearly describes as a salvation issue! OUCH!
Nothing like lying to your kids!
Revelation 14:8-10 (KJV)
8. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9. And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Now imagine a mother like KJO telling her son in those passages, that John is writing in the Bible history ONLY about Nero of Rome, that he does not have to be concerned about taking that "mark of the beast" and "be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb" in taking that mark, because its all worthless Prophecy today, its nothing more than history says faithful PreTEARist mommy!
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 12:37 PM
Teddyhug,
you CHANGED what I wrote and said you were quoting me???
Are you a Christian?
"Chuckk writes - The harsh reality is I doubt he will ever believe if he has to accept King James Onlyism, Preterism. The Gospel is about none of these things.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 02:16 PM
Chuckk,
Say when you stand with the wind to either side of your face, can you hear the rushing sound of it going through your other ear? I would guess so!
Teddyhug only left off what is your CULT PLUG you stupid idiot. Do you think he thinks like you and people are hanging upside down in Australia you moron! Does Teddyhug know water is always level and NEVER hangs upside down? TONS of water I might add! BOY or should I say COW-BOY are you dumb or what???
You asked if Teddyhug was a "Christian" as if you EVEN know what that is! Since when is leaving off your CULT doctrine of a beach ball/sphere shape earth ever un Christian? Nothing he quoted changed anything you said TO THE POINT of the Gospel you ignorant cowboy! So what's your point? Do you think its critically important that he also left off on the "toughness on the guy" thing on the subject? Does leaving that off change any meaning? Did you notice he did not have quotation marks on what he posted you wrote, only saying you said in the meaning point that he agreed with in what he posted that you stated?
The truth of the matter is if you teach the earth is a ball or sphere then that IS a salvation issue because it removes Yahwah of being the Creator that mentions such a FACT of a stationary earth all thru the Bible! Its changing His Creation, insulting Him as a Creator that supposedly puts things upside down on a ball/sphere! Claiming He makes water stick supposedly to a ball while it spins! You are one stupid cowboy that must have compact barn yard granules for brains!
So tell me something. How do you put your pint size brain under a 10 gallon cowboy hat? You know I have noticed you have posted many threads whining and sniveling like a little school boy just bcause you don't know how to ignor stupidity like pathetic7744. So that makes you stupid to encourage it by recognizing him, giving him the floor, right? Makes him post all the more! Boy are you dumb!
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 04:02 PM
Revelation 5:11-14: Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and then thousand times ten thousands They encircled the throne and the Living Creatures and the Elders. In a loud voice they were saying: :Worthy is the **LAMB** who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne and to the**LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" The Four Living Creatures said "**AMEN**," and the Elders fell down and worshiped.
Revelation 22:8,9: John said, "I fell down to **WORSHIP** at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "Don't do that I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this Book. **WORSHIP GOD**!"
It is interesting to note that only Jesus and His Father were **WORSHIPED BY EVERYONE IN HEAVEN** and the holy spirit is not even mentioned. And why would everyone in heaven be worshiping the **LAMB JESUS** when it is a terrible sin to worship anyone but **GOD**!! Jesus is worshiped 12 other times in the New Testament and the holy spirit is not even worshiped one time??
Hebrews 1:1-4,6: In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many tomes and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us b His Son. Whom He appointed heir of all things, and through Whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the **EXACT**representation of His being, and **SUSTAINING ALL THINGS BY HIS POWERFUL WORD**! After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Se He became as much superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is superior to theirs... God says, ""LET ALL GOD'S ANGELS **WORSHIP HIM**!"
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 31 Dec, 2019 08:51 PM
Isaiah 9:6--7: For unto us a **CHILD** is born, to us a **SON** is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor ,**MIGHTY GOD**! and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government **THERE WILL BE NO END**. He will reign on David's throne and over His Kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness **FROM THAT TIME ON AND ****FOREVER****.
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told
him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
Philippians2:5-10: In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus. Who being in very nature God, did not consider Equality with God something to be used to His own advantage; rather He made Himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance like a man, he humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death--even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted Him to the **HIGHEST PLACE** and gave Him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus **EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW**, in heaven and on earth!! {Including Chuckles!!}
