LITTLEST DAVID CLAIMS THAT WHEN JESUS SAYS "YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID." HE IS NOT REFERRING TO AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT**???
However, Jesus said six times "YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID** in Matthew 5:21, 27, 31, 33, 38, 43 and each time Jesus made radical changes or additions to Old Testament Laws. In Matthew 5:21-26 and Matthew 5:27-30 Jesus made radical additions to two of the ten commandments concerning Murder and Adultery. In Matthew 5:31,32 Jesus completely changed OT divorce Laws. In Matthew 5:33-37 Completely eliminated all Old Testament **VOWS** and **OATHS**. In Matthew 5:38-42 completely eliminated all laws of returning evil for evil like eye for eye an tooth for tooth and to offer up the other cheek! In Matthew 5:43-48 we are no longer allowed to hate and kill our enemies which is commanded about 70 times in the Old Testament. Jesus commands us to **LOVE **ALL** YOUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THEM WHO PERSECUTE YOU** And this command is enlarged upon in Luke 6:27-36 and Romans 12:17-21.
Matthew 5:21,22: Jesus says, You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "You shall not murder." and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that everyone who is **ANGRY** with his brother will be subject to judgment!!
Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!} And since it can also be translated 70 times 7 or 490 times that must be law for us to be safe from sinning!!
Matthew 6:14: Jesus says, "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins!" {And so if we do not forgive everyone 490 times for sinning against us **GOD WILL NOT FORGIVE OUR SINS**!!}
Matthew 5:27,28: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit Adultery'. But I tell you that anyone who **LOOKS AT A WOMAN LUSTFULLY** has already **COMMITTED ADULTERY** with her in his heart!!" This would include looking at lewd pictures of woman and **PORNOGRAPHY** which was not listed as a sin in the Old Testament!!
**AND SO LITTLEST DAVID"S CLAIM THAT WHEN JESUS SAYS: "YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID," HE IS NOT REFERRING TO AN OLD TESTMENT COMMAND IS COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!!
Matthew 5:31,32: Jesus says, It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce,' But I tell youthat anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of **ADULTERY**and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits **ADULTERY**. And since you should fogive your wife 77 or 70 times 7 times you must forgive her sexual immorality also.. I Corinthians 7:12,13: If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he **MUST NOT DIVORCE HER**!! And is a womanhas a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her she **MUST NOT DIVORCE HIM**. Unfortunately Christian churches very rarely teach these commands and the divorce rate among Christian churches are almost bad as the average rate of divorce of unbelievers!!
I think there is hope for Richard! He has changed his mind that the Messiah is also to be worshipped like the Creator Yahuwah! This is great news!
Richard7744 writes -
Jesus is called **GOD** 7 times in God's Word and is called **LORD** over 200 times in the New Testament, and is **WORSHIPED** 12 times in the New Testament, and God's Word tells us to only **WORSHIP GOD** in Revelation 22:8,9 below!!
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
The **WORSHIP** of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can also be found in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 and John 9:38!!
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AMEN parrot! I'm so glad you finally realize that "JESUS IS EQUAL TO GOD" in what you state and the verses you quote! Very good, I knew you would catch on that the Messiah is **EQUAL** to Yahuwah the Father. Thanks for finally admitting that! Its obvious with the verses you posted about **WORSHIPPING** the Messiah, that He must also be Yah and **EQUAL** with Him!
Oh and another place on the forum you stated -
Richard writes -
Jesus is called **GOD** 7 times in God's Word!
John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, **BUT THE ONE AND ONLY SON**!! who is **HIMSELF GOD** who the Father has revealed, has made Him known!!
Wow parrot, there is hope for you after all! You did leave out a very important verse though that puts an end to all doubt that the Messiah is **EQUAL** to Yahuwah the Father! Read below.
Philippians 2:5-6
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God.
Isaiah 9:6,7: For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Mighty God and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** THERE WILL BE NO END**!
Philippians 3:19,20: Their mind is on earthly things . But **OUR CITIZENSHIP IS IN HEAVEN**. And we eagerly wait a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ!!
**EVERY OATH** that you swear to is **CONDEMNED* and is **FROM THE EVIL ONE** in the New Testament era!!
When you join the military and become a professional killer you must make a **VOW** that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer. And so if He commands you to drop an Atomic Bomb that will kill about 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 innocent children you must obey this command!!!
The following **OATH** is given by a officer in the US army to be repeated by all army recruits while they raise their right hand:
I, _____, do solemnly *SWEAR* that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**."
What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"
What are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??
James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or **YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED**!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes **FROM THE EVIL ONE**!!"
And so **EVERY OATH** that you swear to is **CONDEMNED* and is **FROM THE EVIL ONE** in the New Testament era!!
Philippians 3:19,20: Their mind is on earthly things . But **OUR CITIZENSHIP IS IN HEAVEN**. And we eagerly wait a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who by the power that enables Him to bring everything under His control, will transform our lowly bodies that will be like His glorious body!
Now I ask you, how can any true Christian take such an **OATH** in good conscience? How can the follower of Christ pledge faith to a manmade constitution that might require him to compromise his fidelity to the commands of the Gospel? How can a **CITIZEN IN HEAVEN** (Philippians 3:20 above) pledge allegiance to a secular government that requires him to defend it? How can a Christian swear to obey the orders of any president or any officer that commands us? How can a Christian swear to place faith in any organization, institution, or document other than Christ, and His Word?
I Corinthians 4:6: Do not go beyond that which is written!!
Matthew 28:18-20: ALL authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commended you!" {Which would include Matthew 5:33-37 above!!}
Notice that there is no “conscience clause” in the soldier’s oath. In taking the oath, the soldier willingly relinquishes his choice as to which orders he will obey. If any of our commanders gives an order, the soldier has pledged to obey it – even if that order violates his Christian conscience like killing your enemies which is forbidden in God's Word or a strike that may also kill innocent civilians and children, the Christian soldier has pledged to carry out that order.
Of course, the Christian soldier is always free to renege on his oath. He can always choose to disobey those orders he deems to be unjust or unchristian, and he will have to suffer the very severe consequences. But why would any Christian willingly take such a pledge to begin with, knowing that in doing so he is promising to obey a secular government that condones immorality?
To swear unconditional allegiance and obedience to anything other than Christ, His word, and His Church is a very dangerous thing. Our Lord was very clear that we cannot serve two masters: Matthew 6:24: Jesus says, “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.” A born again Christian must never take an oath to defend a manmade constitution and he will never swear allegiance to a government that defends the slaughter of innocents. Like an order by President Truman to drop two atomic bombs that will both kill over 100,000 innocent civilians and over 25,000 innocent children!! {Jesus commands many times **NEVER** to hurt the little children!!}
Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!
Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations.... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** {Including Matthew 5:33-37 above} I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age!"
**JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD** **TAKE THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD** **THE WORD OF GOD IS LIVING AND ACTIVE SHARPER THAN ANY DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD** Matthew 26:52--Ephesians 6:17--Hebrews 4:12
