Thread: Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
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Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 28 Aug, 2019 02:58 PM
Hello everyone.
Most people either believe or have been told that Cains sacrifice wasn't accepted because it was without blood.
Actually when we look at the Word of GOD Almighty we find that it was in that was not accepted; because Cain was not accepted by YHWH, his sacrifice also was not accepted.
Genesis 4 verses 1 - 7
Cain and Abel
1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with [the help of] the LORD."
2 Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. 4 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering;
5 but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell.
6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen?
7 "If you do well, will not [your countenance] be lifted up?
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 11:10 AM
Teddyhugs quote
Did I answer your thread topic in my humble opinion and did I go off topic like KJO did (and does sometimes) in her excitement of it all?
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LOL. I do get excited , don't I?
Here is the thing GSNW..
The animal skins were to cover their nakedness. We are clothed in Jesus righteousness likewise in the NT . covenant. It all points to Christ.
So are you saying you agree with Calvinist? That Cain was not accepted because of who he was? God formed him in the womb. It is mankind who plays at being his own god and makes his/her own god world on flat earth by rejecting him and doing it their way. (work of their own hands)
Some others however are not obedient to his WILL. God's WILL is for mankind to multiply and fill the earth for his Glory .How much more so do we need it now to point people to Christ and add to the Kingdom??? Seems like a command from God himself in the garden then, no?
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 11:23 AM
Fig leaves of religious works will never cover the guilty sinner and make him right with God.
Yes I think it was a fig tree as Jesus cursed it in the NT.
Throughout the Scriptures, garments are symbols of righteousness; either God's all sufficient righteousness or man's self-made righteousness. The prophet Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 61:10,
"I will rejoice greatly in the Lord,
My soul will exult in my God;
For He has clothed me with garments of salvation,
He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels." ( well Richard what about those jewel adornments?)
The prophet also speaks of self-righteousness in the following statement. "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away" (Isaiah 64:6). "I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; My justice was like a robe and a turban" (Job 29:14).
The coats of skin with which the Lord clothed Adam and Eve represent righteousness provided by Him in which they could stand in His holy presence. These coats of skin are a type of what God provided for us in the imputation of His righteousness through Jesus Christ. Behind those garments, that God made for Adam and Eve has been sacrifice and death. No doubt, God had given instructions of some kind about sacrifice. We do not have any exact word regarding this instruction; however, from the context of chapters three and four in comparison with the book of Hebrews I think we can accept here an incipient idea of the sacrifices which will follow in the Hebrew Scriptures. Since a life had to be sacrificed before Adam and Eve could have been clothed with "coats of sins", there was a substitutionary death. God must always provide adequate covering for man to stand before Him clothed in righteousness. Only in Christ is man ever properly clothed.
God laid the foundation for animal sacrifices by providing the garments of skin. In this passage we see the pattern for all salvation history. God took a sacrificial animal (probably a lamb), slew it before the eyes of Adam and Eve and wrapped the skins about their naked bodies. No doubt, at that time, God gave them instructions about sacrifice and covering of sins. God laid down an eternal, divine principle from which there is no deviation.
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 11:39 AM
GRACE my lad!
Quote - "Teddy, show me and everyone on this site where the NEW TORAH LAW for sacrifices existed during the time of Abel, am sure you can find at least one."
I will answer that question gladly my lad but first could you grant me your wisdom in this question to you?
Where is the NEW Ten Commandment LAW which comes from the NEW TORAH LAW listing or established at Creation when Cain killed Abel? LMBO!
WHERE was it a LAW to kill someone according to you?
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 11:46 AM
Abel offered the "fat" of his sheep.
So we know Moses did that too!
Leviticus 3:14-16 And he shall offer thereof his offering, even an offering made by fire unto the LORD; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards, And the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, which is by the flanks, and the caul above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away. And the priest shall burn them upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire for a sweet savour: ALL THE FAT is the LORD’S.
WHY did God chose it for Himself?
Genesis 45:18 And take your father and your households, and come unto me: and I will give you the good of the land of Egypt, and ye shall eat the fat of the land.
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 11:56 AM
Torah=first 5 books of Moshe. Pentateuch is the Greek, and therefore usually Christian, way of referring to those first five books. In Greek, "Penta" means "five" and "teuchos" means "book, case [for books]
Which are:
Torah refers to the five books of Moses which are known in Hebrew as Chameesha Choomshey Torah. These are: Bresheit (Genesis), Shemot (Exodus), Vayicra (Leviticus), Bamidbar (Numbers), and Devarim (Deuteronomy)
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 12:00 PM
KJO,
I agree! I'm surprised Grace did not go back further to Adam and Eve and say WHERE is the NEW TORAH LAW even mentioned? In his Bible study ignorance, Grace just cannot understand the principal of a blood sacrifice for sin and Cain did NOT provide that! THEN there is the clothing part you covered very well even though you did not cover much of the required blood sacrifice part. The two fold meaning to it all.
I don't know why we are even having this discussion because clearly it was the offering of Cain and Abel that the story is about! ITS all about offered SACRIFICE with animals, blood, death and Grace wants the Scripture for that???????????????? Wow!
Finally Grace just has no clue Yahweh had always had His instructions from the beginning, said to Adam and Eve when He walked and talked, taught them in the garden in the cool of the day! Grace does not understand the TORAH LAW unfolds in the first 5 books (Torah!) of the Bible?????? Wow!
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 12:07 PM
KJO,
Oh I did not see your last two posts, very good, but you might want to look up in your KJV that the full animal was also sacrificed, along with the fat. The focus is the fat of the animal though.
Why was the sacrifice of Cain not accepted by YHWH
Posted : 29 Aug, 2019 12:23 PM
Teddyhugs quote
the full animal was also sacrificed,
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Yes, and the skins went to Adam and Eve.
This animal’s death was not just a reminder of sin’s tragic consequences, its life was also offered as a symbolic substitute. If sin vandalizes God’s world with death and pain, God has every right to make people face the just consequences. Thankfully, God loves His creation and does not want to kill them, and so this animal’s life is symbolically offered as a ransom payment that would cover them. The word “cover” is the literal meaning of the Hebrew words kipper/kopher, which was later translated into old English as “atonement.” This went further, because the Israelites also saw the blood of an animal as a symbol of the animal’s life itself (see Leviticus 17:11
Leviticus 17:11
11For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’
Since blood represents life, or the opposite of death, its sprinkling around the temple would act like a detergent. It can symbolically wash the temple of death (the natural result of sin) and defilement. The end result is that God’s presence stays squarely in the midst of the people of Israel.
