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Who, or what are you under ( hupotasso )
Posted : 12 Aug, 2019 03:55 PM

Hello everyone,

This question entered my mind as I was almost finished working today.

Who, Or what are you under.

Are you under the law ?

Are you under Grace ?

Are you under Messiah ?

Give your answer with scripture, in order to have discussions.

Messiah says ' Come follow me '

The Good Shepherd ' Places His soul OVER the sheep.



Remember, Where there is no wood , there is no fire.

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Who, or what are you under ( hupotasso )
Posted : 14 Aug, 2019 01:17 PM

KJVonly quotes about her Roman Catholic background:



I married a Catholic and we raised our kids in that faith.

I taught my kids the doctrine.

My mother was anti- Catholic for a while then started going to mass and to school on Friday with the kids and meet them for mass in the church on that day.

No, I don't want a universal church doctrine in my life. The Catholic Pope's have been trying to retrieve the people that broke with the "Mother church" for quite some time now.

In the Pope's encyclical letter called Laudato Si, in May 2015, he was trying to get a mandatory Sunday rest day observance for families.

**ALL FOR UNITY**"



Wikipedia quote:



Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Roman Catholic Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy. Historically, the only believers in Preterism are Roman Catholics or those Protestsnts who would like to merge with the extremely evil Roman Catholic Church; with its emphasis on an earthly kingdom headed by the Pope rather than a Heavenly Kingdom headed by the Father and Jesus Christ.



**WE** {Born again saints} ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a **NEW HEAVEN** and a NEW EARTH, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had **PASSED AWAY**, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be **NO MORE DEATH** or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"



Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God {The Father} and of the **LAMB** {Jesus} will be in the City, and His servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”



Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne!!"



Revelation 2:17: Jesus says, To him who overcomes I will give a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it!"

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Posted : 14 Aug, 2019 06:18 PM

Since you are talking about John 10 and the shepherd and HIS sheep, the rest of the story is interesting.





John 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, just as I told you. 

27  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 

28  And I give to them eternal life; and they will never perish, neither will any one pluck them out of my hand.

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Posted : 15 Aug, 2019 12:53 PM

**WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE SECOND COMING OF OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST APPEARS ON THE LAST DAY**??



Colossians 3:4: When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.”



I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus **APPEARS**, **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!”



I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd **APPEARS**, **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!”



I Peter 1:13: Therefore, with minds are alert and fully sober, **SET YOUR HOPE** on the grace to be brought to you when **JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED AT HIS SECOND COMING**!



I Corinthians 15:48-52: As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth, and as is the heavenly man, so are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we ** BEAR THE IMAGE OF THE MAN FROM HEAVEN! I declare to you that **FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD**. Listen I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but **WE **ALL** WILL BE CHANGED**--in a flash in a twinkling of an eye, at the **LAST** TRUMPET, for the trumpet will sound, the dead will be **RAISED IMPERISHABLE, and **WE WILL BE CHANGED**. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with **IMMORTALITY**!!



I Corinthians 15:22-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ **ALL** WILL BE MADE ALIVE**. But each in his own turn: Christ, the Firstfruits; **THEN WHEN HE COMES** those who belong to Him. **THEN THE **END** WILL COME** {Not 1260 days later!!}, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father!!



I Thessalonians 4:16,17; 5:2,4: For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel {See Rev 14:15} and with the **TRUMPET**{See Matt 24:30 & Rev 11:15,18 & I Cor 15:52} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the **CLOUDS** {See Matt 24:30 and Rev 14:14} to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord **FOREVER**!



Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the stars will fall from the sky {Luke 21:28 adds: "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!!"} At that time the sign of the Son of Man coming on the **CLOUDS** {See I Thess 4:17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud **TRUMPET** {See I Cor 15:52 & I Thess 4::16 & Rev 11:15,18} call an they will gather His **ELECT** {See Rom 11:5-7; 2 Tim 2:10 & Titus 1:1!} from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds: "From the ends of the earth."}



Daniel 12:1,2,7b: There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations to then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found in the {Lamb's} Book will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth well awake, some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him {See Matt 24:29-31; I Thess 4:16,17; 2 Thess 1:6-10}, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. *THEN** the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who ar blessed by My father; take your inheritance, the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... **THEN** He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the devil and his angels'...**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is **REVEALED** from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels {See Matt 24:30-31 above!}. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord **ON THE DAY HE COMES** to be glorified in His holy people {**CHURCH SAINTS**}!! This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian **CHURCH SAINTS**}



So here we see that the Resurrection of the saved and the lost will be Resurrected on the **SAME DAY** when Jesus Christ is **REVEALED** from heaven with His powerful angels!!



John 6:39,44: Jesus says, "And this is the will of Him who sent Me that I shall lose none of all that He has given Me {God's **ELECT**}, but raise them up at the **LAST DAY**... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father **DRAWS** him, and I will raise him {**GOD'S ELECT**} up at the **LAST DAY**!"



John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the {**SAME**}**LAST DAY**!"

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Posted : 16 Aug, 2019 05:27 AM

**WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE SECOND COMING OF OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST APPEARS ON THE LAST DAY**??



Colossians 3:4: When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.”



I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus **APPEARS**, **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!”



I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd **APPEARS**, **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!”



I Peter 1:13: Therefore, with minds are alert and fully sober, **SET YOUR HOPE** on the grace to be brought to you when **JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED AT HIS SECOND COMING**!



I Corinthians 15:48-52: As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth, and as is the heavenly man, so are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we ** BEAR THE IMAGE OF THE MAN FROM HEAVEN! I declare to you that **FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD**. Listen I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but **WE **ALL** WILL BE CHANGED**--in a flash in a twinkling of an eye, at the **LAST** TRUMPET, for the trumpet will sound, the dead will be **RAISED IMPERISHABLE, and **WE WILL BE CHANGED**. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with **IMMORTALITY**!!



I Corinthians 15:22-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ **ALL** WILL BE MADE ALIVE**. But each in his own turn: Christ, the Firstfruits; **THEN WHEN HE COMES** those who belong to Him. **THEN THE **END** WILL COME** {Not 1260 days later!!}, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father!!



I Thessalonians 4:16,17; 5:2,4: For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel {See Rev 14:15} and with the **TRUMPET**{See Matt 24:30 & Rev 11:15,18 & I Cor 15:52} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the **CLOUDS** {See Matt 24:30 and Rev 14:14} to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord **FOREVER**!



Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the stars will fall from the sky {Luke 21:28 adds: "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!!"} At that time the sign of the Son of Man coming on the **CLOUDS** {See I Thess 4:17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud **TRUMPET** {See I Cor 15:52 & I Thess 4::16 & Rev 11:15,18} call an they will gather His **ELECT** {See Rom 11:5-7; 2 Tim 2:10 & Titus 1:1!} from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds: "From the ends of the earth."}



Daniel 12:1,2,7b: There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations to then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found in the {Lamb's} Book will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth well awake, some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him {See Matt 24:29-31; I Thess 4:16,17; 2 Thess 1:6-10}, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. *THEN** the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who ar blessed by My father; take your inheritance, the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... **THEN** He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels'...**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is **REVEALED** from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels {See Matt 24:30-31 above!}. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord **ON THE DAY HE COMES** to be glorified in His holy people {**CHURCH SAINTS**}!! This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian **CHURCH SAINTS**}



So here we see that the Resurrection of the saved and the lost will be Resurrected on the **SAME DAY** when Jesus Christ is **REVEALED** from heaven with His powerful angels!!



John 6:39,44: Jesus says, "And this is the will of Him who sent Me that I shall lose none of all that He has given Me {God's **ELECT**}, but raise them up at the **LAST DAY**... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father **DRAWS** him, and I will raise him {**GOD'S ELECT**} up at the **LAST DAY**!"



John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the {**SAME**}**LAST DAY**!"



Revelation 22:16,16,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.... I warn everyone who reads the words of this prophecy of this book. If anyone**ADDS** {Like KJVonly} anything to them, God will add to them all the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell in Rev 14:9-11}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {like KJVonly} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"



The Preterists like KJVonly teach that everyone of these Second Coming promises took place in AD 70 which is an unpardonable sin of **ADDING** or **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the prophecies in Revelation!. May we all pray that KJVonly will publically repent of these sins and that God may forgive her and then she will be able to sit with Jesus on His throne and that Jesus will give her a **WONDERFUL NEW NAME** known only by Jesus and her as per Rev 2:17 and Rev 3:21!!



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