"and he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the son of man is lord also of the sabbath.".................
-Mark 2:27-28
Mark is the earliest attestation of this passage. We already know all authority in heaven and earth is given to Jesus (Matthew 28:18) so no one is saying Jesus isn't Lord of the Sabbath.............................................We also know Jesus used the phrase "Son of Man" from of Daniel 7:13 to refer to himself......................
Therefore the insertion of CAPS is an acceptable addition to the translation...........................................
However in this particular case is this what the author of Mark had in mind? ............................................................
I don't think so because of the "Therefore". In other words this could read like this; 'the Sabbath was made for man (humans); Therefore the son of man (a human) is the master of it.'
"You're very confused my friend. You conflate a day of worship with a day of rest - two entirely separate things in the days of the early Church."
I could care less what ANY "church" kept in supposedly a worship day different from a day of rest! Lol! The 7th day Sabbath was always a rest day and a no work day in the Bible! The annual Sabbaths had days of no work! You are full of surprises.
Some Messianic Jews want to continue regarding the Sabbath day as holy because of their Jewish heritage. Some Gentile Christians join their Jewish brothers and sisters in keeping the Sabbath as a way to honor God. Worshiping God on the Sabbath is acceptable—again, the day of the week is not the most important issue—but the heart motivation behind that choice is crucial. If legalism or law-keeping motivates the choice to observe the Sabbath, then that choice is not made from a right heart condition (Galatians 5:4). When our hearts are pure before the Lord, we are free to worship Him on Saturday (the Sabbath) or Sunday (the Lord’s day). God is equally pleased with both.
Jesus warned against legalism when He quoted Isaiah the prophet: “These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules” (Matthew 15:8–9; cf. Isaiah 29:13). God is not interested in our keeping of rituals, rules, or requirements. He wants hearts that are on fire with His love and grace on the Sabbath, on the Lord’s day, and on every other day (Hebrews 12:28–29; Psalm 51:15–17).
KJO that post is drivel; Paul said to judge no one in regards to the Sabbath.
Teddyhug the "Lords Day" super easy to find - you're copping out. To answer your question about breaking bread on the first day:
Act 20:7 - And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Well, hope you have a good attitude through this post..
Saturdays
For example, it was Paul and the Apostle’s “custom” to meet with the Jews on Saturday (the Jewish sabbath) in their synagogues because this is when they gathered to discuss theology – and thus a great opportunity to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them (Acts 13:14-16, 44; Acts 15:21; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4).
Paul was not preaching in the OT temple on the Jewish Sabbath, but rather in the synagogues which began in the Babylonian captivity. This was brought about through the traditions of the Rabbi’s and was not a part of the OT law. But due to Paul being a Jew, he very well may have obeyed the Sabbath before the entire Old Covenant system passed away in AD 70 (Mt. 5:17-19). Either way, there is no exegetical support that Gentile Christians were to obey the Sabbath before or after AD 70.
Sundays
The early Church also met from house to house on the first day of the week (Sundays) because this was the day Christ rose from the dead. On this day they broke bread (had a potluck meal or “love feast”), preached the Word, prayed, fellowshipped and gathered financial support for the poor and needs of those in other churches (John 20:19; Luke 24:1-2, 21; Acts 2:44-46; 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2, 20; 2 Pet. 2:13; Jude 1:12; Rms. 16:16; 1 Thess. 5:26). This seems only logical since it was on a Sunday that Christ rose, preached how He fulfilled the Law and Prophets, had a meal with the disciples, commissioned them to preach the gospel, and the day they received some aspect of the Spirit (Lk. 24:27; John 20:20-23).
Paul is very clear in that no man was to judge Gentile Christians (by the rituals of the Law and their traditions they built around it) in “respect of an holyday, or of the new moon (first day of the month festival) or of the Sabbath days” (Cols. 1:16).
Eschatology and Sabbath Rest in the New Covenant
The Seventy Sevens Promised Sabbath Rest (Daniel 9:24-27)
When Israel disobeyed the covenant (and disobeying the sabbath rests for the land and the poor) it is said, “The land will be abandoned by them, and will make up for its Sabbaths while it is made desolate without them.” (Lev. 26:43). In Second Chronicles we read, “All the days of its desolation, it kept Sabbath to fulfill Sabbath to fulfill seventy years” (2 Chron. 36:21 NSAB). As those 70 years of captivity were ending and the land had received its Sabbath rest, Daniel prays for his people and is given a prophetic time explaining Israel’s imminent deliverance from the Babylonian captivity and yet at the same time, encompassing her coming Messiah within a period of 70 sevens in which there would be a greater rest and restoration for Israel.
The Anointed/Prince/Ruler/Messiah Jesus is the anti-type of (or the new) Cyrus delivering Israel from her bondage of sin and raising her from the graves of sin-death. And this partial restoration back into the land typified through Nehemiah and Ezra pointed to an anti-typical eschatological gathering “in Christ” at the end of the OC age in AD 70 (Matt. 13:39-43, 49; 24:30-31—25:31-46).
We must enter into the Jewish and historical context when approaching Daniel 9:24-27 as relating to the Sabbatical calendar and the redemption of Israel.
Our Life Cycle and Israel’s Redemptive Life Cycle Move Within the Cycles of Sevens
1). Seven of Days (7 days) — Work six days rest on the seventh (Gen. 1:31-2:3; Ex. 31:12-17).
2). Seven of Weeks (49 days) — Time between the feast of First Fruits and the feast of Pentecost (Deut. 16:9-12; Lev. 23:15-16).
3). Seven of Months (7 months) — The seven months of the Jewish religious calendar which contain all seven of the Jewish feasts (Deut. 16; Lev. 23).
*** The four months gap between the 4 Spring Feasts and the 3 Fall Feasts represent the overlapping of the Old Covenant “this age” (that was passing away and would “soon vanish”) and the New Covenant “age about to come” (and did in AD 70)! This prophetic gap of four months was called by the Rabbi’s, “The time for waiting the judgment” and was the period or season by which the 10th eschatological Jubilee cycle Messiah Yeshua was fulfilling all OT prophecy (Lk. 21:20-22/Dan. 9:24-27).
4). Seven Years (7 years) — Israel was to work the land for six years and then let it rest for the seventh year (Lev. 25:1-7).
5). Seven of Sevens of Years (49 years) — The period of time between each celebration of the Year of Jubilee (Lev. 25:8-17).
6). Seven of Decades (70 years) — Man’s average life span (Ps. 90:10). After 70 years man’s physical body returns to the dust and he remains in a spiritual body fit for the after life and the spiritual realm. During the 70 years between Christ’s birth to parousia, and the “last days” of Israel, Israel transitioned from a physical Old Covenant body to a New Covenant spiritual body.
7). Seven of Sevens of Decades (490 years) — In Jewish tradition, “422 BC is associated with when the first temple burned 70 Sabbaticals (490 yrs.) before the second temple burned in 70 AD.” (Dr. B. Zuchermann, Professor at Jewish Theological Seminary). The Jews believed Messiah would come to establish the Kingdom during the 10th Jubilee cycle (490 yrs. from first temples destruction). Jesus’ first coming in AD 26 was a jubilee yr. and ushered in the 10th. cycle (Lk. 4/Isa. 61). Christ as High Priest accomplished His atonement process between AD 30 – AD 70 fulfilling Israel’s Second Exodus. (Dan. 9:24-27; Isa. 10-11).
What modern Christian commentators have missed in Daniel 9:24-27 is the context is addressing Daniel being concerned with the prophetic “word” of Jeremiah (Jer. 25 and 29) and the angel is not discussing beginning the 490 years count down beginning with a “decree” of a Gentile king, but rather explaining the “word” of Jeremiah connected with what God had revealed to Daniel in the vision of the four kingdoms in Daniel 7 and earlier in chapter 2. The Jews of the first century interpreted the passage to have the 70 years of Babylonian captivity included within the 490 years prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27. The 70 years of captivity are connected to the Babylonian dominance over Israel but there were three more Gentile kingdoms to go before the true and New Covenant restoration under Messiah would be achieved (of which Ezra and Nehemiah only typified). The 70 years of Babylonian captivity times 7 (based on breaking the sabbath laws of Lev. 25-26) = 490 years.
The next major error, is that Yeshua was a Jew and He along with the Jews of the first century would have used the Jewish calendar which dated the destruction of the first temple around 420 BC and not the Gentile calendar of 586 BC. Therefore, first century “Chronomessianism” began the 490 years countdown from the destruction of the first temple to an anticipated arrival of the Messiah before the destruction of the second temple.
Messiah had to arrive at the end of the last and 10th jubilee to accomplish all the soteriological and eschatological events listed in Daniel 9:24-27 and Isaiah 61:1-11. They expected Messiah to arrive right around AD 26 – AND HE DID! But because they missed the spiritual nature of His Kingdom (Lk. 17:20-37), they missed the fulfillment of this powerful prophecy unfold before their very eyes from AD 26 — AD 66-70. Yeshua was only developing what He revealed to Daniel, when he prophesied a spiritual kingdom (Dan. 2 and 7). Not only this, but it was clear from their own prophets that they would not be able to “discern” their own “end” when it would drawn “near” in a particular “last days” “perverse and crooked generation” (Deut. 32/Acts 2:40/1 Pet. 4:5-7). The fact that God would be coming to judge their unbelief and not the Romans was prophesied to be a “strange work” (Isa. 28). Their carnal expectations caused them to miss Isaiah’s “new work” of the spiritual New Covenant. The same carnal and physical expectations of the Messianic Kingdom has also caused my opponents (and most of the Church today) to have a delayed 2,000 plus years and counting arrival of the kingdom and ignore or re-define NT imminence.
Where are you getting all of this "stuff", it (meaning the website) is nothing more than internet dribble of some false teaching PAGAN church or Jesuit organization of some sort. PLEASE do your own studies and share your own thoughts. Thank you in advance!
This is highly doubtful. John being a Jew who for a lifetime had referred to the seventh day as the Shabbat in a society where everyone called the seventh day the Shabbat would not just change the name because of a teaching of authority over the Shabbat.
Therefore the "Lord's Day" is likely the first day of the week when the Lord rose from the dead and the same day early Christian believers met to break bread.
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Zech,
So let me see if I have all of this write of what you are teaching. You are some how assuming that "first day of the week" was "Therefore the "L_rd's Day" when "early Christian believers met to break bread" on that day? The error in your logic and assumption is that the "early Christian believers" were keeping a Julius Caesar pagan calendar then, which at that time, that pagan calendar had
saturnday (worship of saturn) as the "first day of the week", sunday the second day of the week! Its a historical fact!
Hebrews at that time did not keep a Julius Caesar pagan calendar then but the modern today Jews keep the gregorian calendar today which came out of the julian calendar in its day. So its irrelevant claiming the "first day of the week" was "Therefore the "L_rd's Day" because the Hebrews AND "early Christian believers" were keeping a Biblical calendar, a lunar/solar calendar established at Creation week.
Key statements from you Zech that jump off the page at me are "highly doubtful" and "is likely" because you are not sure it is all true!
So the title of this thread by Zech is - "WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?"
Lets look at the witnesses for that. Remember the Bible says to establish anything, even a doctrine, requires two or more witnesses.
Matthew 12:8 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
8. "For the Son of Man is L_rd of Shabbat!”
Mark 2:27-28 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
27. "Then he said to them, “Shabbat was made for mankind, not mankind for Shabbat; 28 So the Son of Man is L_rd even of Shabbat.”
Luke 6:5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
5. "The Son of Man,” he concluded, “is L_rd of Shabbat.”
Notice the 3 gospel account witnesses above, yet the youngest Apostle does not write the same in the book of John. Why? Because
John is insprired to write his witness of the Sabbath in the book of Revelations (John of course wrote that book) of WHAT is "the Day of the L_rd' or "WHO is the lord of the Sabbath" as the fourth witness, stated below,
Revelation 1:10 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
10. "I came to be, in the Spirit, on the Day of the L_rd; and I heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet,"
It all starts Creation week in Genesis and that first week ended with Yah's holy sanctified 7th Day Sabbath my friends!
Genesis 2:2-3 King James Version (KJV)
2. "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
3. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
You are soooooo correct in that "the WHOLE Bible" in its context to the subject IS " ONE exact match" as a whole study of WHAT is "the Day of the L_rd' or "WHO is the lord of the Sabbath" of Creation week of the flat earth!
