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Posted : 21 Jul, 2019 09:46 PM

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 10:09 AM

Richard,



Actually Genesis 1:1,2 and Jeremiah 4:23-28 are NOT a **PERFECT MATCH**!!



Genesis 1:1,2 is about creation, not judgement and Jerimiah 4:23-28 is about judgement not creation!



Like so many of your false interpretations of scripture, this is but another example of your ongoing reckless eisegesis (reading your own ideas ***into*** the texts)



By falsely claiming, (I know you mean well, I don’t believe you’re purposely telling lies), but by willingly or unwittingly claiming the passages in Genesis and Jeremiah “match” because of similiar wording you are committing a common exegetical error known as the “word study” fallacy. Exegetical, for those unacquainted, means to read ***out from*** the text, as opposed to eisegesis which means to read ***into*** the text.



Richard you are either totally unacquainted with exegesis and the universal rules for literary interpretation or you’ve just plain adopted your own set of rules like so many Christian denominations have done. This is one reason we have so many false and contradictory interpretations of the Bible.



QUOTE RICHARD

“David you have stated that Carbon Dating is accurate for 10,000 YEARS {Which is over 6,000 years!!???} so you must be an **EXPERT** in Carbon 14 dating science?? Or you are accepting the testimony of someone that believes that there is nothing on this earth which is over 6.000 years old which shows that he is not an **EXPERT SCIENTIST* on Caebon14 dating.”

END QUOTE OF RICHARD



Richard this is a false charge and you know it!!!



I never claimed to be an expert on carbon 14 dating, that’s why I rely on those who are experts. Many qualified scientists have written about some of the false readings obtained by inappropriately applying carbon 14 dating because carbon 14 results often conflict with more accurate dating methods. In addition, evolutionist are left to ***speculate*** on the amounts of original carbon stored







QUOTE FROM RICHARD THE “PROPHETIC”

“To say that all the dozens of strata in the Grand Canyon was caused by Noah's single flood about 3500 years ago is completely ridiculous since the Grand Canyon shows strata from dozens of floods with animals that have carbon14 dating over 70,000 years. Anything that shows something on this earth is over 6.000 years old proves there was earth before God's 6-day creation about 5,879 years ago!!!”

END QUOTE OF RICHARD THE “PROPHETIC”



You will note Richard’s hypocritical false charge of accusing me of claiming “to be an expert” on carbon 14. But here, in the above quote, Richard claims to be an expert on things that took place “70,000 years” ago!!!!!! And just where does Richard get his information???



Richard gets these absurd notions either from establishment evolutionary secularists who were the first to invent them or from compliant theologians who simply yeild to them.



QUOTE RICHARD THE PROPHETIC

“David, you have stated that I believe in evolution and do not believe in God's six 24-hour day Creation about 5,879 years ago according to the best Bible Chronologists. Which is completely untrue!!”

END QUOTE OF RICHARD THE PROPHETIC



Richard you do believe in evolution, you just don’t know it. But you’re like so many Christians who deny believing in evolution! Like them, you deny believing in evolution but you unwittingly accept evolutionary presuppositions such as an old earth (thousands or millions of years old) and you also accept the evolutionary explanation for Grand Canyon stratum and strata elsewhere.





QUOTE RICHARD THE PROPHETIC

“David, you have implied 3 things that no sane carbon 14 Dating scientist would agree with:



**That there were no Neanderthal Creatures discovered that were over 6.000 years old???



*That there were no Dinosaurs discovered that were over 6,000 years old.??? Carbon 14 dating shows that the **LAST DINOSAUR** on the old earth was 10,000 years ago!!”

END QUOTE OF RICHARD THE “PROPHETIC”



Richard, you’ve chosen to believe atheist scientists whose goal is to disprove the Word of God.



You believe atheist lies despite the fact there are many other scientists who believe the Word of God and have in the last several decades provided an abundance of scientific evidence disproving evolutionary assumptions that you accept.





QUOTE RICHARD THE PROPHETIC CALLING THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM LIARS

“ **That nothing in the Grand Canyon is over 6,000 years old.?? {ALL Ridiculous **LIES**} Carbon 14 Dating shows that there are many things in the Grand Canyon that are

10,000 to 70,000 years old!!!”

END QUOTE OF RICHARD THE PROPHETIC



Once again Richard, you believe evolutionary myths and doctrines. At the same time you don’t fully realize you believe in evolution because of your ignorance about evolution. You think the Bible teaches things similiar to evolution because someone told you



QUOTE RICHARD THE PROPHETIC

“Since the 6-Day creation by God according to the best Bible Chronologists took place about 5,879 years ago!!! And you have stated that Carbon 14 dating is accurate up to 10,000 years????”

END QUOTE BY RICHARD PROPHETIC



Once again Richard is ignorant about carbon 14 dating. Richard is ignorant of the fact that evolutionary theorists must ***speculate*** on the earliest ***possible*** deposites or storage of carbon in specific earthern material. Since evolution supposedly needs millions of year to turn a frog into a prince (or a man) the assumption among evolutionists is that there must have been more carbon stored in certain materials and the depletion rates of the carbon must have been equal all throughout earths history (this is a uniformitarian assumption, it is not science because it has not been proven)







QUOTE RICHARD THE PROPHETIC

“There are only a few Bible scholars that belief that everything on earth is under 6,000 years old. I believe it is important because many college students with a Christian background fall away from their faith; when they find out that their church wrongly taught: There were no dinosaurs found over 6,000 years old or there is nothing in the Grand Canyon over 6.000 years old!!”

END QUOTE OF RICHARD THE PROPHETIC



Richard believes if more people believe a thing, that must make it true.



This is another one of Richard’s false assumptions. Let’s see how Richard’s false assumption works out for Noah’s flood. Before Noah’s flood, there were only 8 people in the whole world who believed God was actually going to send a worldwide flood. But the rest of the whole world refused to believe!!



So it seems no matter how many people Richard can get to believe something it doesn’t make the thing true!! Just like rejection of the flood didn’t make the flood go away



Polls show the real reason college kids lose their faith is because they are either taught false theology and false origins at church or weak apologetics in church that hardly attest to the reliably of scripture.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 10:46 AM

Please don't relate anything zodiac in the same sentence as the Bible. I know for a fact that is satanic. I had to repent of it! Also the myers-briggs is a repackaged version the zodiac and other forbidden knowledge. It is not innocent fun! Tarot readers were referencing it on youtube. Doorways of oppression are opened when you dabble in such filth. Stay away from horoscopes and any personality quizzes. Anything considered wiccan is witchcraft. Stay away from palm readings, don't use stones to open up your chakras. Don't use tarot cards, ouija boards, stay away from astral projection techniques and the list goes on..including the chinese zodiac



Leviticus 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.



Micah 5:12 - And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no [more] soothsayers:13 Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.



Isaiah 8:19 - And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 11:11 AM

Genesis 1:1,2: In the beginning God created the **HEAVENS** and the earth. Now the earth was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, **DARKNESS** {**AFTER GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS THEY BECAME DARK**} was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the **WATERS!** {And then God created **MORE WATER** on the old earth on the 2nd Day as per Genesis 1:6 and on the 3rd day as per Genesis 1:10]



And since after God created the **HEAVENS** and then they became **DARK** and then God **RECREATED THE HEAVENS** on the old earth on the 4th Day as per Genesis 1:14-17!!!



Just before each of God's 6 days of RECREATION we see the phrase: And God said, "Let...



God said, Let... on the **FIRST DAY** in Genesis 1:3-5 **SECOND DAY** Genesis 1:6-8 **THIRD DAY** Genesis 1:9-13 **FOURTH DAY** Genesis 1:14-19 **FIFTH DAY** Genesis 1:20-23 **SIXTH DAY** Genesis 1:24-31



It is interesting to note that during God's 6 days of Recreation in Genesis 1:3-31 He never mentions creating the **EARTH** since God had already **CREATED EARTH** **BEFORE** the 6 days of His Creation!!



Does God's word say in other Scripture that the present earth was ever **FORMLESS AND EMPTY** with **DARKNESS**???



Jeremiah 4:23-28: The Lord Almighty said, "I looked at the earth and it was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, and at the heavens, and their **LIGHT WAS GONE**.I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked and there were no people, every bird in the sky **HAD FLOWN AWAY**. I looked and the **FRUITFUL LAND HAD BECOME A DESERT**; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before His fierce anger!" This is what the Lord says, The whole land will be ruined, though I will **NOT DESTROY IT COMPLETELY**, Therefore the earth will mourn and the **HEAVENS ABOVE GROW ** DARK**, because I have spoken and will not relent, I have decided and will not turn back!!"



Now some will say the context Of Jeremiah explains something different. However God has said over 100 things in the OT that were out of context like Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 7:13 and Isaiah 7:15 had absolutely nothing to do with Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and you will call **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}



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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 11:22 AM

All this talk about carbon dating , evolution...makes me remember a quote I heard once regarding evolution.. "From goo to you by way of the zoo!" Darwinism. I say Let God be true and every man a liar. I don't think the earth is millions of years old either. The sun, moon and stars is closer than you think , the earth if flat. Water always finds it's level. The earth doesn't spin like "scientist" say. . Dare I say the bible supports a flat earth also. Anyone care to respectfully debate , I am game. I may learn something new! A little off topic but my mind is off topic most days.



1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."



Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."



Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."



Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."



Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 01:12 PM

KJVonly;



If I may.....



An extensive study started by determining the real Shabbat (Sabbath) led me to study calendars. Wow were my eyes opened! It was then I realized God had His own calendar and clock positioned out of the reach of men.



Since men cannot change God's calendar positioned in the heavens by the sun moon and stars going through precise clock like movements. What they did is pervert God's good calendar into something evil like false gods, horoscopes etc... to hide the true calendar from even those who fear God and keep his instructions,



Everything you said in your post to avoid we should avoid. However the Zodiac is nothing more than a giant clock. To make it more than that is where evil enters - but to make it less than that is also where evil enters.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 01:14 PM

LittleDavid;

What's your postion on dig sites like Göbekli Tepe?

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 01:53 PM

I had heard from a sermon once that the gospel is in the stars. Then , before long, I got into grey areas again with the zodiac. GRRRR! I don't blame anyone but myself. I felt the Lord calling me out of it and convicting me. Yes, the devil loves to invert and pervert things of God.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 02:00 PM

Respectfully, Sadlup.

I was considering hebrew roots movement once years ago. It was confusion to me because I could not pinpoint the true jewish dates for shabbat. No, I don't wish to engage in it again but I am curious if you have found the true calender to base your shabbat on?

Shalom

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 02:15 PM

I have to ask because I asked myself this when I was engaging in the HRM..since the feast of tabernacles/booths/sukkot pilgrimage is coming up in Oct., are you going to Israel like the bible commands or are you going to do the best you can and camp out under the stars in your tent here in America with your family? These are actual questions I myself had! so just wondered when the confusion will end for you too.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2019 02:46 PM

Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!



Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"



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