prophetic7744 has recorded a long list of things on this forum he hates about Jews, yet oddly enough admits the Bible was written by Jews and claims to have been a missionary to Israel......What do we believe? His claims or his hate speech?
Thanks Sadlup, its an inspirational pleasure to be able to have a real logical, sensible, serious Bible discussion with me here on this forum. Your right and its really quite sad that P7744 "doctrine on hell is a indirect assault on of the character and nature of YHWH" or Yahweh without the vowels. Its crazy that "Christians" would accuse Yah of a worst crime than Hitler because at least Hitler put his hated subjects to death! And Yahweh does NOT hate sinners! But they will be put to death in the end even though He does love them!
This verse says it best for me - For like Isaiah says in 28:21 "For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act." in the end of this present earth as we know it, including sinners in the lake of fire.
Prophetic7744 writes;
And those who do accept the Words of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ on everlasting torment in Hell have committed an unpardonable sins off **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the **WORD OF GOD**!!
Wow! This is beyond insane! You claim I'm "adding" and "taking words away" that Yah'shua supposedly wrote and yet you do not correct me with SHOWING me in the Bible WHERE He says "everlasting torment in Hell" in His words! I was born in Missouri, the show me state, SO SHOW ME WHERE He says that!!!
The fact IS Prophetic7744 YOU just did the very same thing as you are accusing me of??? WOW! Talk about blind logic! PLEASE help me then, if you are so sure "everlasting torment in Hell" is in the Bible. You are suppose to show me as a missionary. Right?
Oh and if its true I have "committed an unpardonable sin" and I was saved when I was 13, then a person can always lose his/her salvation by commiting it! Right? Another false doctrine taught by my old baptist cult church of "once saved always saved"!
Sadlup is right, you really are "putting your fingers in your ears" and I guess I will need to SHOUT A LITTLE LOUDER IN MY NEXT POST(LOL!) with another thought and Bible fact!
Matthew 25:41,46: "Then Jesus will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the **ETERNAL FIRE** prepared for the Devil and his angels.... Then they will go away to **ETERNAL PUNISHMENT**, but the righteous to **ETERNAL LIFE**!!"
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Ok that is fine if you want to use that Bible translation, there are many others that use the two words together "ETERNAL FIRE" as you qoute from. No problem! I like the KJV version myself for this verse, probably because I was raised on the KJV! I still love it! So here it is -
Matthew 25:41 & 46 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" 46. "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
OOOOOH you got me on this one, youuuuuu are sooooo right that the FIRE is truly ETERNAL in its duration! Correct? And the "punishment" IS "everlasting" in its duration also! CHECK or ROGER THAT! I have to admit the fire is not going out! Of course the fire will need a continual ready dry source of fuel. like ANY fire I have ever had started does because if you don't have a continual burnable source (like sinners for example) for fuel, it will go out, turn to ASHES (Key word for later) in the end! So Yahweh will have to perform a miracle FOR EVER to keep those sinners from ever burning up! I mean like He will give them eternal living bodies so He can roast them, shake His head at them, FOR EVER, like you think He will. Correct P7744? This is the kind of "G_d" you serve out of fear but you claim He is love! Lol!
Oh WAIT, my memory is coming back to me! Ummm do we have an EXAMPLE of an **"ETERNAL FIRE"** in the Bible? And what happened to them that had this dasterly deed never ending fire cast upon them? WAIT WAIT ITS COMING!
What about those two WICKED cities??? Jude 7 (KJV) "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
WHAT WHAT??? Suffered the vengeance of WHAT? An **"ETERNAL FIRE"** in Sodom and Gomorrha??? Oh please spare me the grief! But they are NOT burning today for an example! SO MUCH FOR YOUR **"ETERNAL FIRE"** NOW P7744! GOTCHA! LOL! Seriously P7744 you have got to come out of those CULT teaching churches before its too LATE my friend, like I did!
OOOh sorry, what about my promise of the "turn to ASHES (Key word for later)" verse???
Ummm...
2 Peter 2:6 (KJV) "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"
WHAT, they turned into ASHES??? BUT BUT BUT an "ETERNAL FIRE" must be burned out to become ASHES!!!
"Jude 7 (KJV) "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Teddyhug;
Great demonstration of "eternal fire" doesn't necessarily mean a continual burning flame forever and ever. As we can see Sodom and Gomorrha isn't still burning. But the effect of the fire on Sodom and Gomorrah was indeed "eternal".
AMEN! And by definition that means "So be it!" YES!
You my friend are a modern day Solomon, a very wise man!
Thanks for staying on the forum, I know his personal attacks of you on this forum are tiring! More so his ranting off topic subjects to distract from the subject topic at hand! Then all is buried to death.
P7744 must be at his cult BAAL worship meeting this morning, like I was when growing up!
Again thanks for all your posts, you are very MUCH a better writer than I am, better educated.
I know this is not the thread to continue this topic P7744 but then you always get off topic! So.....
Now Isaiah is certainly a Prophet and you claim to be a "Prophetic" in your teachings. So I ask what does Isaiah mean in the below verse when he decribes the Saints will go out (after the death of sinners) and look upon the dead bodies that continually broke (transgressed) Yah's Torah Laws.
Isaiah 66:24 "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
I know I opened up a further study on the subject of the "lake of fire" like "neither shall their fire be quenched" because there is MANY more verses on this subject study! So what does Isaiah mean when he says "for their worm shall not die" and "they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." before the Saints?
So when does this take place in the future because you claim to be "Prophetic" in your teachings. Right?
I was a missionary to Israelites in Israel who must really love Jews since Israel is extremely unsafe for Christian missionaries. And I don't want any Jew to go to eternal hell for believing Satanic doctrines like what **SAD** lup teaches who doesn't even believe in eternal hell.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But the Beast {666} was captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the Beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.... And the Devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Prophet had been thrown. They will be **TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!!
Revelation 14:9-11: The angel said in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives the mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of His wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the **LAMB**. And the smoke of **THEIR TORMENT WILL RISE FOR EVER AND EVER**. There will be **NO REST DAY OR NIGHT** for those who worship the Beast!!
Matthew 25:41,46: "Then Jesus will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the **ETERNAL FIRE** prepared for the Devil and his angels.... Then they will go away to **ETERNAL PUNISHMENT**, but the righteous to **ETERNAL LIFE**!!
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9: Jesus will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with **EVERLASTING** destruction!!
Daniel 12:1,2: There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the {**LAMB'S**} Book--will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to **EVERLASTING LIFE**, others to shame and **EVERLASTING CONTEMPT**!
OK, P7744 is NOT responding to discussion people, so if anyone else is interested in study of what "hell" is and to that of "the lake of fire" is to this discussion, then by all means ask away!
When Prophetic7744 posts ANYTHING people, read the post(s) above him that he does not want you to read!
Its always the same thing people with him, cover up truth, copy and paste after it!
I was a missionary to Israelites in Israel who must really love Jews since Israel is extremely unsafe for Christian missionaries. And I don't want any Jew to go to eternal hell for believing Satanic doctrines like what **SAD** lup teaches who doesn't even believe in **ETERNAL HELL**!
Revelation 19:20; 20:10: But the Beast {666} was captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the Beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were **THROWN ALIVE INTO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR**.... And the Devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast and the False Prophet had been thrown. They will be **TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER!!
Revelation 14:9-11: The angel said in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives the mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of His wrath. They will be **TORMENTED WITH BURNING SULFUR** in the presence of the holy angels and the **LAMB**. And the smoke of **THEIR TORMENT WILL RISE FOR EVER AND EVER**. There will be **NO REST DAY OR NIGHT** for those who worship the Beast!!
Revelation 22:16,16,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.... I warn everyone who reads the words of this prophecy of this book. If anyone**ADDS** {Like *SAD*lup} anything to them, God will add to them all the plagues described in this book {Including eternal torment in hell like Rev 14:9-11 & Rev 20:10 above}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like *SAD*lup} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"
Matthew 25:41,46: "Then Jesus will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the **ETERNAL FIRE** prepared for the Devil and his angels.... Then they will go away to **ETERNAL PUNISHMENT**, but the righteous to **ETERNAL LIFE**!!
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9: Jesus will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with **EVERLASTING** destruction!!
Daniel 12:1,2: There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the {**LAMB'S**} Book--will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to **EVERLASTING LIFE**, others to shame and **EVERLASTING CONTEMPT**!!
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for those who do not accept **MY WORDS*, the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the Last Day!!"
And those who do accept the Words of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ on everlasting torment in Hell have committed an unpardonable sins off **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the **WORD OF GOD**!!
And so God's Word clearly shows when the lost are thrown **ALIVE** into the **FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR** they will be:
**TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER** {Revelation 20:10 above}
**THEIR TORMENT WILL RISE FOR EVER AND EVER AND THEY WILL HAVE NO REST DAY OR NIGHT** {Revelation 14:9-11 above}
**THEY WILL HAVE SHAME AND EVERLASTING CONTEMPT** {Daniel 12:2 above}
**THEY WILL HAVE ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN THE ETERNAL FIRE** {Matthew 25:41,46 above}
OK, P7744 is NOT responding to discussion people, so if anyone else is interested in study of what "hell" is and that of "the lake of fire" is to this discussion then by all means, ask away! I have discussed Matthew 25:41,46 and he refuses to reply.
When Prophetic7744 posts ANYTHING people, read the post(s) above him that he does not want you to read!
Its always the same thing people with him, cover up truth, copy and paste after it!
