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GlennP

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Submission of a wife toward her husband
Posted : 26 Aug, 2016 08:36 AM

Looking for feedback.



I believe that biblical submission of the wife is recommended due to the giftedness which was taken from Adam (femininity, incorrectly translated as "rib") and which God used as "material" to make Eve... said division of masculine and feminine gifts/traits/strengths/weaknesses then being passed down to you and I. The man is better equipped to recognize evil (1 Tim 2) in all of its subtleties and as such, should make the final call on related issues. As Christians, we already have a detailed enough "job description" from God that a godly wife should only defer on the rare occasion that an impasse is reached after prayerful consideration and all applicable biblical passages are brought to light, as well as freedom of communicating each partner's concerns. Nothing more, nothing less.



As an aside, man was also left at a deficit as a result of what was taken which is why a wife is her husband's deliverer (wrongly translated "helper") via God returning what left Adam "lame/erring" (wrongly translated as "closed up") after that surgical episode in which, all men without a female partner still suffer from the same deficit today. Unlike most presentations on this passage with no conflict to resolve, "This," (the conflict) "is why a man leaves his father and mother and cleaves to a wife." The "one flesh," or prolonged sexual union, facilitating the bond necessary to recoup each partner's deficit from the other per God's creative order. That and God gets the population he's looking for to fill heaven.



Perhaps the most perplexing passage is 1 Cor. 14:35 wherein wives are asked not to interact through speech in church (presumably with male teachers). I believe the purpose for this is for the wife to adopt her husband's theology, at least in practice, for the sake of acting in tandem to allow for the blessings of God to be present in the home. Sure, the husband may only have a 90% handle on God's word but, when cooperating together, that's 90% of the blessing available from the word of God in their lives. 80-80. However, because if there's unresolved disagreement, with each going their own way, they could end up with a meager dose of God's blessings. Significantly different definitions of good never ends up being good for either party.

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Submission of a wife toward her husband
Posted : 29 Aug, 2016 12:57 PM

"Paul confessed his sin for reviling the high priest, and quoted the commandment he violated when he did it. You have shown no such humility."





How without sense again you show yourself. Read slowly. Paul saw the high priest sitting to judge Paul after the law, as the high priest does. Paul called the High Priest a whited wall, so knew well who he was, its rediculus to think Paul did not know who he was, and instead said he wist not that he was the High Priest, and wished instead he was a more righteous man, instead of ordering Paul to be hit contrary to the law.



Also you are a judge of Paul to say the Apostle Paul sinned, and not this false high priest. You have very wicked judgement.



Acts 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

Acts 7:1 Then said the high priest, Are these things so?



Acts 23:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?

4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest?

5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.





"How is it you claim that Dr. Luke healed people supernaturally by faith? Show me the chapter and verse where is says that happened. And if he did, why could he not also raise the dead and it not be recorded? Are all of the miracles ever performed recorded in scripture? John 21:25"





In the Gospel according to Luke, Luke was an eyewitness form the beginning, and Jesus sent seventy to cast out devils by the power of Christ. Luke is not mentioned in scripture and recording one Gospel because he has no faith, but through faith Luke also will do greater works than they saw with Christ. All these eyewitness believers were given power by Christ over the enemy.



We see in Chronicles, how Asa sought the physicians and NOT the Lord, and died because of this wrong trust. Luke was a believer in Christ,and we see in Acts 8 how Simon seemed

to have power, until the saw the real power in the miracles of Christ.



John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.



Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.



2 Chronicles 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.



Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.

11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.





"Dr. Baucham has a Doctor of Divinity, meaning, he is considered an expert in the scriptures. Moreover, he has been a Christian for decades, and has pursued the study of the scriptures as God commands in 2 Timothy 2. For his obedience to God's command, YOU, in your arrogance and audacity, have labeled him a fool. The Lord rebuke you. "



This doctor believes like you do, which is relying on other men's teaching in strongs and other concordances, and you continue to show yourself against the word of God although you claim to support it. Gods word holds true, all who are something in this world are brought to nothing and will not be highly esteemed and are abomination to God, (from Luke for you)...



Isaiah 29:20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:



1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.



Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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ADAM7777

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Posted : 30 Aug, 2016 01:36 AM

god is my father wrote:





"Acts 2:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?



4 And they that stood by said, REVILEST THOU GOD'S HIGH PRIEST?



You think this passage makes you right? You didn't even bother to mention the punch line.



"Then Paul said, �I did not know, brethren, that he was the high priest; for it is written, �You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.��"



Paul confessed his sin for reviling the high priest, and quoted the commandment he violated when he did it. You have shown no such humility."





You say Paul did not know he was the high priest.



You say Paul sinned reviling the high priest.



Paul saw the high priest sitting to judge Paul after the law..



Acts 2:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law.





Paul was working with the high priest, Paul, as Saul, along with the high priest to persecute the believers till death. If you care to notice and repent of your misunderstandings and false accusations against Gods chosen Vessel Paul, Paul shows us, the high priest himself would bear witness of Paul, because Paul received letters from the high priest to give authority to imprison the believers of Christ. How blind and without eyes to say Paul did not know who the high priest was, when Paul's whole role was knowing these priests and elder murderers of the believers...





Acts 22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

5 AS ALSO THE HIGH PRIEST DOTH BEAR ME WITNESS, and all the estate of the elders: FROM WHOM ALSO I RECEIVED LETTERS unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.





Another example of the rulers being wicked, and shown the respect they deserve..



Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.



Luke 23:8 And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.

9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

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Posted : 30 Aug, 2016 09:43 AM

Paul knew well who the high priest was, clearly dealing with him directly, and knowing who he was, what he did, all information, nothing confused by Apostle Paul. Paul also knew it was annias the high priest that sat for judgement of the Jews. The high priest is supposed to be a faithful merciful man, but this high priest had Christ murdered, is there any more wicked ? When Paul says he did not realize this was Gods high priest, because Paul taught us in Hebrews, Jesus Christ is our merciful faithful high priest, holy, harmless, and only the most wicked men realize annias as their high priest. Paul quotes not speaking evil of the ruler of your people, because he is CONFIRMING this man is EVIL...





Acts 23:5 Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: 'Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.'"



Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.





In Samuel we see Eli was the Lords priest, but man being the high priest was finished. God showed His faithful priest to come, who is forever. Christ is the only high priest to be recognized by the Apostle Paul and all believers of Christ, For a man to come and judge Paul as a sinner instead of the murderer annias, shows which high priest he believes in..



1 Samuel 2:28 And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon mine altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all the offerings made by fire of the children of Israel?



30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honor me I will honor, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.



1 Samuel 2:35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.



Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.



Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.



Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;



Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

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Posted : 3 Sep, 2016 06:00 PM

After the verses that say a wife is to submit to her husband it says that the husband must give his life fir his bride like jesus gave his life for the church.

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Posted : 5 Sep, 2016 04:06 PM

Hello everyone;

NASB:

Ephesians 5: 22- 24

22 Wives, [be subject] to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself [being] the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives [ought to be] to their husbands in everything.



To those which believe the KJV is the only translation worth reading.



Ephesians 5: 22-24

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.



Lets look at the difference between these 2 translations to see which has correctly divided the Word of GOD Almighty.



In the NASB verse 22 there are 2 words in brackets, we need to ask why are the 2 words in brackets.

These 2 words are in brackets because they cannot be found in the Greek manuscripts, for the English word these 2 words take the place of is the word ' SUBMIT' which cannot be found in the Greek text in this verse of Scriptures, it has been added by the translators, because they think it makes the text easier to understand. What does Revelation say about adding, and taking away from the Word of GOD Almighty.



The Greek word here; hupotasso

Strong's Concordance



hupotass�: to place or rank under, to subject, mid. to obey

Original Word: ὑποτάσσω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: hupotass�

Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-ot-as'-so)

Short Definition: I place under, subject to

Definition: I place under, subject to; mid, pass: put myself into subjection.

HELPS Word-studies



5293 hypot�ssō (from 5259 /hyp�, "under" and 5021 /t�ssō, "arrange") � properly, "under God's arrangement,"



This is a VOLUNTARY action, not of compulsion, force, guilt, coercion, or fear which many men and women use to manipulate the sheeple into a relationship that is not

voluntary, or according to the Word of GOD Almighty.



The wife is to VOLUNTARILY place herself under her husband, but let us look at verse 21, which is almost never taught when this section of the Word is spoken.



20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father; 21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.



My oh my, lookie here, the men want the women to be under them, BUT what about the man being under his wife, also.



I will let that set a spell to brew some conversation.



By the way, both translations are wrong as well as almost every English translation has translated this scripture wrongly.

ONLY THE BEREAN study has correctly translated this Scripture



Parallel Verses



New International Version

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.



New Living Translation

For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.



English Standard Version

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



Berean Study Bible

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.



Berean Literal Bible

wives, to the own husbands as to the Lord;



New American Standard Bible

Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



King James Bible

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.



Holman Christian Standard Bible

Wives, submit to your own husbands as to the Lord,



International Standard Version

Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands as to the Lord.



NET Bible

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord,



New Heart English Bible

Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Wives, be subject to your husbands as to Our Lord,



GOD'S WORD� Translation

Wives, place yourselves under your husbands' authority as you have placed yourselves under the Lord's authority.



New American Standard 1977

Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



Jubilee Bible 2000

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband, as unto the Lord.



King James 2000 Bible

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.



American King James Version

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



American Standard Version

Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.



Douay-Rheims Bible

Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:



Darby Bible Translation

Wives, [submit yourselves] to your own husbands, as to the Lord,



English Revised Version

Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.



Webster's Bible Translation

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



Weymouth New Testament

Married women, submit to your own husbands as if to the Lord;



World English Bible

Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.



Young's Literal Translation

The wives! to your own husbands subject yourselves, as to the Lord,



Have a great day everyone.

Shalom

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Submission of a wife toward her husband
Posted : 9 Sep, 2016 12:48 AM

I was to put the BEREAN LITERAL, as the correct translation.

This is why i do not lile using the computer, my mind thinks faster than i can type.

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