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Admin	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 11:26 AM What is the Hebrew writer speaking about here in this passages? Is he speaking about obeying and sub,itting to spiritual leaders OR obeying and submitting to government leaders?... OR BOTH?... Hebrews chapter 13, Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you. (NIV) Post Reply
View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 08:21 PM Agapeton you have no idea what you are talking about. Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 08:56 PM So says, Dr. Phil who who uses no, and preaches to not use reason by way of belief. Even when Jesus uses an example of counting(or calculating) the cost of becoming a follower in Luke 14:28 shows otherwise... Or using the mind to calculate(same word as in Luke 14:28) the number of the beast in Rev. 13:18.... This guy is a classic, folks. I don't think they make anymore like him. I hope. :ROFL: :excited: :ROFL: :excited: :ROFL: :excited: :ROFL: :dancingp: :goofball: Post Reply
View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 09:22 PM Sal, go to your room and GO TO BED, with your lita-manish self.:ROFL::yay::excited::dancingp::hearts::hearts::glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 09:25 PM Pastors - The term "pastor" is the most common word in our vocabulary today, but it is (perhaps surprisingly) the least common designation in the New Testament. The New Testament writers only once identify the local church leaders as "pastors" and that as it is associated with the additional title, "teachers" (Ephesians 4:11, "pastors-teachers"). The Greek term poimen means "shepherd," one who guides the sheep. The verb form (poimaino) is used only twice, describing the duties and responsibilities of the leaders they are to "shepherd" the church (Acts 20:28 and I Peter 5:2, KJV, "feed"). In Hebrews 13:20 and I Peter 2:25 Christ is called our "Shepherd," and in Revelation 2:27 it is prophesied that Christ will "shepherd [KJV, "rule"] with a rod of iron" (see also Revelation 12:5 and 19:15). In I Peter 5:4 Jesus is "the chief Shepherd" indicating that the "elders" (verse 1) are the under-shepherds who rule under Him with a delegated authority. Clearly, then, "pastors" rule; they rule in the church under Christ. They shepherd (are not shepherded by) the sheep. Post Reply
View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 10:01 PM In the Body of the Elect of YHWH ( not church),i believe the order of authority if thus. Yeshua-Chief Shepherd-Head of His Body Elders- Deacons- Pastors- Elders are over the pastors as there are Biblical requirements for this,while there are no requirements for the pastor. Deacons also have Biblical requirements. Deacons are next in order to being Elders. In the context of the following Scripture we have a Biblical requirement,which is to be used in determining Elders and Deacons. In verse 10 of 1st Timothy 3 we find that both Deacons and Elders must be tested to see if they meet the requirements of being an Elder or Deacon. 1Ti 3:1 Faithful is the Word: If anyone reaches out to overseership, he desires a good work. 1Ti 3:2 Then it behooves the overseer to be blameless, husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, well-ordered, hospitable, apt at teaching; 1Ti 3:3 not a drunkard, not a contentious one, not money-loving, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not avaricious; 1Ti 3:4 ruling his own house well, having children in subjection with all respect. 1Ti 3:5 But if anyone does not know how to rule his own house, how will he care for an assembly of God? 1Ti 3:6 He should not be a novice, lest being puffed up he may fall into the devil's judgment. 1Ti 3:7 But he must also have a good witness from those outside, that he not fall into reproach and into a snare of the devil. 1Ti 3:8 Likewise, deacons are to be reverent, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy of ill gain, 1Ti 3:9 having the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 1Ti 3:10 And also let these be tested first, then let them serve, being without reproach. Are the places where people assemble using these guidelines by which to have Elders and pastors. Maybe this might be the reason for much false teachers and false prophets,in the assemblies. Shalom Farmer Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 10:05 PM View Profile History Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 09:25 PM Pastors - The term "pastor" is the most common word in our vocabulary today, but it is (perhaps surprisingly) the least common designation in the New Testament. The New Testament writers only once identify the local church leaders as "pastors" and that as it is associated with the additional title, "teachers" (Ephesians 4:11, "pastors-teachers"). The Greek term poimen means "shepherd," Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds (POIMEN) AND(KAI) teachers (DIDASKOLOS), This guy can't even exegete Greek to well for a theologian... It is NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADDITIONAL TITLE it is ANOTHER TITLE applied TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN A PASTOR(POIMEN)..... AND NO! I don't wanna go to bed cause IT'S FRIDAY AND I AIN'T GOT NOT SCHOOL TOMORROW! So THERE! BLEH! Neeener, neener, neener! You can't make me. :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :yay: :yay: :party: :party: Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 11:37 PM wow agapeton, we dont have teachers in our churches??? hmmmm must me the garbage men or maybe scooby doo is teachiong SUNDAY SCHOOL !!!! good grief Post Reply
View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 04:37 AM What do George and Agapeton have in common? They simply think they are above the word of God, and thus not subject to it. Agapeton the kingdom of God operates by having a ear to hear the word of God, no other way. When one studies the parable of the sower with an ear to hear this truth is readily available to all. No one can hear with their mind, nor is any Christian a mind. He is in the image and likeness of his spiritual father. My father is not a mind. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 05:38 AM amen peejay, i love you bro, our father is a spirit and we are to worship him in spirit and in truth! :applause: He wouldnt fix it to where peeole who are not smart cant figure it out, its not about being smart or having knowlege its about hearing the word and therefor having faith! PJ I dont know al the thimngs they have in common but they ertainly do seem to be barking up the same tree! I hope they can get it right, u telling them will never do it, they are not humble enough to recieve Post Reply
View Profile History	Obey and Submit... Posted : 7 Jan, 2012 06:08 AM View Profile History Obey and Submit... Posted : 6 Jan, 2012 12:57 PM Considering the Spiritual leaders hAve been mentioned here: Heb. 13: 7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9 Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them. The verses you referred to would have to be leaders as in government. Because they hAve to give n ccount for punishing. 15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God. 17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you. WhAt do you think? What is the clue to a believer in this response, what exposes the unbelief? Post Reply

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