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Posted : 23 Jun, 2011 04:58 PM

Strongs Lexicon H2896

Prosperity

1) good, pleasant, agreeable

a) pleasant, agreeable (to the senses)

b) pleasant (to the higher nature)

c) good, excellent (of its kind)

d) good, rich, valuable in estimation

e) good, appropriate, becoming

f) better (comparative)

g) glad, happy, prosperous (of man's sensuous nature)

h) good understanding (of man's intellectual nature)

i) good, kind, benign

j) good, right (ethical)



O/T only does the word prosperity occure. These verses are pulled out of context but they are fascinating none the less...maybe the New Prosperity Jesus is all about is the Blessings His Holy Spirit bestows upon His children...Spiirtual and Material necessaties...What Yall think ???



1.Deuteronomy 23:6 ~ Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever.



2.1 Samuel 25:6 ~ And thus shall ye say to him that liveth in prosperity, Peace be both to thee, and peace be to thine house, and peace be unto all that thou hast.



3.1 Kings 10:7 ~ Howbeit I believed not the words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen it: and, behold, the half was not told me: thy wisdom and prosperity exceedeth the fame which I heard.



4.Job 15:21 ~ A dreadful sound is in his ears: in prosperity the destroyer shall come upon him.



5.*** Job 36:11 ~ If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.



6.Psalm 30:6 ~ And in my prosperity I said, I shall never be moved.



7.*** Psalm 35:27 ~ Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.



8.Psalm 73:3 ~ For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.



9.*** Psalm 118:25 ~ Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.



10.*** Psalm 122:7 ~ Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.



11.Proverbs 1:32 ~ For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.



12.Ecclesiastes 7:14 ~ In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him.



13.Jeremiah 22:21 ~ I spake unto thee in thy prosperity; but thou saidst, I will not hear. This hath been thy manner from thy youth, that thou obeyedst not my voice.



14.Jeremiah 33:9 ~ And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.



15.*** Lamentations 3:17 ~ And thou hast removed my soul far off from peace: I forgat prosperity.



16.Zechariah 1:17 ~ Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.



17. Zechariah 7:7 ~ Should ye not hear the words which the LORD hath cried by the former prophets, when Jerusalem was inhabited and in prosperity, and the cities thereof round about her, when men inhabited the south and the plain?

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 05:55 PM

Jesus changed many of the OT laws such as an eye for an eye to offering up the other cheek and he eliminated all the strict Sabbath laws and all the Levitical dietary laws and the laws concerning sacrificing of animals for sin since Jesus put an end to all sacrifices for sin. Jesus also added a new Love commandment as to loving your neighbor as yourself to Loving one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than to lay down your life for your friends. As I have shown with over 20 NT Scriptures Jesus also changed the prosperity laws.There were 613 OT commandments and their about 400 NT commands which all have to be obeyed with love just as Jesus loved us.



Can you quote any NT Scripture which contradicts the teaching of Jesus to the prosperous in Matthew 19:21 & Luke 12:33 "To sell all your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven; and **THEN** come follow Me."



Prosperity was part of the OT Covenant but the *NEW** NT Covenant is totally against the Prosperity Gospel: The NT Covenant inspired by the Holy Spirit also commands:



Hebrews 8:6,7,13: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is mediator is superior to the old one, and is founded on better promises..By calling this covenant "NEW," He has made the first one obsolete!!



Jesus says to His disciples "Teach them to obey **EVERYTHING** I commanded" in Matt 28:20.



John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "If anyone loves Me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love Me will not obey My teaching."



I John 2:3-5: We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in Him.

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 05:58 PM

From Brown- Driver-Briggs-Definitions

found on e-sword:



H2896

טוב

ṭôb

BDB Definition:

1) good, pleasant, agreeable (adjective)

1a) pleasant, agreeable (to the senses)

1b) pleasant (to the higher nature)

1c) good, excellent (of its kind)

1d) good, rich, valuable in estimation

1e) good, appropriate, becoming

1f) better (comparative)

1g) glad, happy, prosperous (of man�s sensuous nature)

1h) good understanding (of man�s intellectual nature)

1i) good, kind, benign

1j) good, right (ethical)

2) a good thing, benefit, welfare (noun masculine)

2a) welfare, prosperity, happiness

2b) good things (collective)

2c) good, benefit

2d) moral good

3) welfare, benefit, good things (noun feminine)

3a) welfare, prosperity, happiness

3b) good things (collective)

3c) bounty

Part of Speech: see above in Definition

A Related Word by BDB/Strong�s Number: from H2895

Same Word by TWOT Number: 793a







From Strongs #2896



טוב

ṭôb

tobe

From H2895; good (as an adjective) in the widest sense; used likewise as a noun, both in the masculine and the feminine, the singular and the plural (good, a good or good thing, a good man or woman; the good, goods or good things, good men or women), also as an adverb (well): - beautiful, best, better, bountiful, cheerful, at ease, X fair (word), (be in) favour, fine, glad, good (deed, -lier, liest, -ly, -ness, -s), graciously, joyful, kindly, kindness, liketh (best), loving, merry, X most, pleasant, + pleaseth, pleasure, precious, prosperity, ready, sweet, wealth, welfare, (be) well ([-favoured]).



Both are from the root word:



H2895

טוב

ṭôb

BDB Definition:

1) to be good, be pleasing, be joyful, be beneficial, be pleasant, be favourable, be happy, be right

1a) (Qal)

1a1) to be pleasant, be delightful

1a2) to be glad, be joyful

1a3) to be better

1a4) to be well with, be good for

1a5) to be pleasing

1b) (Hiphil) to do well, do good, act right, act rightly

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by BDB/Strong�s Number: a primitive root

Same Word by TWOT Number: 793





We need to remember,The Word of GOD was first proclaimed to the Hebrews,not the Greeks.



To understand biblical prosperity,we need to be thinking as a Hebrew,in order to understand this.



To Hebrews,Prosperity was to have wide open space.

Knowing GOD

Peace

A safe journey

Not being attacked by enemies

Having a wife and a family

Friends

Good health

Strong children



Mostly in America,opps ( The Homeland )Remember the Nazis.

Mostly in this country people consider prosperity by wealth.

Yet the Word of GOD says this about wealth

Luk 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.



Shalom

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 06:05 PM

I don't think the poor is more godly than the rich. Both have the choice to be godly and the rich are even empowered to do more godly things.



I love watching Joel Osteen cause I can't help but feel his annointing in bringing people to trust God. I think the church he leads is prosperous because he have faith in prosperity gospel. If you have faith as small as... so have faith in whatever way you want to bring people back to God, maybe prove that misery gospel is more effective, lol!

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 06:45 PM

Mercymay says:

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I don't think the poor is more godly than the rich. Both have the choice to be godly and the rich are even empowered to do more godly things.



Meanie:

The Greek word for 'POOR' used in Matthew 5:3,and James 2:2&5 is the Word ' ptōchos'



This word says:

G4434

πτωχός

ptōchos

Thayer Definition:

1) reduced to beggary, begging, asking alms

2) destitute of wealth, influence, position, honour

2a) lowly, afflicted, destitute of the Christian virtues and eternal riches

2b) helpless, powerless to accomplish an end

2c) poor, needy

3) lacking in anything

3a) as respects their spirit

3a1) destitute of wealth of learning and intellectual culture which the schools afford (men of this class most readily give themselves up to Christ�s teaching and proved them selves fitted to lay hold of the heavenly treasure)

Part of Speech: adjective

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from ptosso (to crouch, akin to G4422 and the alternate of G4098)

Citing in TDNT: 6:885, 969





Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.









Mercymay says:

I love watching Joel Osteen cause I can't help but feel his annointing in bringing people to trust God. I think the church he leads is prosperous because he have faith in prosperity gospel. If you have faith as small as... so have faith in whatever way you want to bring people back to God, maybe prove that misery gospel is more effective, lol!





Meanie:



Another person which believes this guy LEADS THE CHURCH.

When Yeshua the GOOD SHEPHERD is to be LEADING the BODY.



I am not against people having wealth,

Just against those so-called Christians that FLEECE the flock of GOD,and say

'See how much GOD has Blessed ME'



Try that nonsense with the Believers in China that meet in the forests at night just to have time with Yeshua and his people.



These believers have only small portions of the Word,yet they cherish that Word with their lives.



Here in the Homeland,where the Word of GOD abounds as with no other country.



People live in FEAR of bringing even a samll verse of Scrioture to the meeting to share with one another.





Meanie

Shalom

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 07:01 PM

George those that love God know the truth, and the will follow the truth, and those that oppose truth will follow themselves.

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 07:11 PM

For those that approach the lord spirtually:







Blessed translates to fortunate or well off.







For those that approach the word carnally or with the mind and the flesh







They will say it is a blessing to be poor, and in lack, the very opposite of the word of God.







Luke 12:33 the word always has taught that the man that gives to the poor as unto the lord will be blessed in this life and in the life to come. Whatever we do for the gospel we will receive for the gospel in this life and in the life to come.







Mr 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.







2nd cor. 9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.



10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)



11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.







Notice what it says in context what it says to him that give to the poor, quit different from what has been posted.







your other scripture is not even in context of anything to do with finances.







Hebrews 8:6,7, 13 again is completely against your proclamation of poverty.







It is a better covenant built on better promises, you are saying it is less and that is better.







We also know the father is a God of increase not decrease.







James 3:4 is not concerning finances at all but it does expose the error, becuase if you ask according to the word, he will give you whatever you ask.







James 5:15 is rebuking the people for selfishness, not for being wealthy, love is never selfish, but not only that Jesus always taught it is better to give, because receiving is based on what one Gives.







Again the other scriptures have nothing to do with wealth.

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 07:21 PM

Phil says:

For those that approach the lord spirtually:





Blessed translates to fortunate or well off.





Meanie:

I would be Blessed to see Phil quit following me like some little dog looking for a handout of doggie treats.

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Posted : 24 Jun, 2011 10:12 PM

Those that walk with the lord would not speak out against a minister of the Gospel at any time, nor would they mock the word of God.



Nor would they lie say man wrote the word of God, it was conveyed to man via the holy spirit from the throne of God, and it is of no man's private interpretation.

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Posted : 25 Jun, 2011 12:52 AM

Prophet, thank you for your input in understanding the Truth.

I appreciate it.

I have a questiona dn I want to ask you it in another thread.

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Posted : 25 Jun, 2011 05:21 AM

Bahira your words make you quilty of the same sin.

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