I would like to ask,What are people on this site 'FEARING'?
Are they fearing to be Banned,Deleted, made fun of,
Maybe being called an unbeliever,have the devil emoticon put to them,saying 'You are the devil,or you are of the devil.
How about those that always oppose everything that you post,saying that 'You oppose the Word of GOD"
Or,you are not psting according to 'Faith'
Who really cares.
I happen to know whom i have believed,and i have been persuaded that He is able to keep that which i have given to Him unto the day of Yeshua.
Since ABBA started talking with me,WHich was some time ago,
I have believed that a Believer in Yeshua is INDESTRUCTABLE
until ABBA takes them to be with Him.
Maybe i happen to be wrong with my understanding of the Word.
Or could the Word be wrong.
Maybe the translation is wrong.
Yet this is the Word of GOD on this matter.
1Jonn 4:16 And we have known and have believed the love which God has in us. God is love, and the one abiding in love abides in God, and God in him.
1Jn 4:17 By this, love has been perfected with us, that we have confidence in the day of judgment, that as He is, we are also in this world.
1John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment; and the one fearing has not been perfected in love.
1Jn 4:19 We love Him because He first loved us.
1John 4:20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love God whom he has not seen?
1John 4:21 And we have this commandment from Him, that the one who loves God also loves his brother.
Could there be fear,because the Love of some,or many has been growing COLD.
Phillip, I cannot speak of the reveltations that you have received, but I can speak for my own and have shared some of those. I believe I remember posts from you that had a premium on the word (forgive me if am wrong), and it is one of th central routes to gaining intimacy with our Creator. Just wanting to know the revelation that you have received in regards to those scriptures?
Myself I do know if I am missing spiritual truths, I do not believe that I am. Nor am I attempting to demean the aspect of which you hold, certainly I believe that there is much truth to and wisdom to what you say. But my feeling is this based off part of The Word or the whole of it, and/or experiences and revelation that you have received?
If you decide that you simle believe this to be the truth and that I am deceived, I myself will not challenge you further on it however how if you ould be a blessing unto me and share your insights into this then that would be appreciated.
There is always a point of believing the word of God, and then there is a place of knowing the word of God, such aswe are speaking of in this context, in order to know your enemy you first have to know the word of God, to expose the enemy.
If necessary go the context and simply see the difference of the use of the word fear,
Giving place to the spirit of fear is one way a believer, can and does give place to satan.
all any believer need to do is ask the lord to show him is fear a spirit, as proclaimed in your word.
It is difficult on this site to bring forth truth, in the midst of all the strife.
opps that previous post was put up to clarify my previous one, not in response the post you just put up at about the same time.
So then you do not deny the scriptures I refferred to earlier as being relevant to fear, but rather you are discussing the spirit of fear? Is this correct?
Myself am human and not God. For sintances even though we are one with Christ and having been sanctified we deal with the tension of being sanctified. At times I do experience the oppressive spirit of fear that you are talking about, and know that this isn't of God and need to deal it.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. NASB
Your understanding of fear does not seem to be compatible with this verse. Also your description of fear seems to be highly dependant on present cultural values ... why isn't reverance a valid aspect of fear Biblically?
Acts 5 Ananias lied about the amount that they had given from the property they had sold ...
Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
This also seems to show an example of fear that doesn't really fit with account you have provided.
Also what about the disciples that went out and served the Lord until they ran into a powerful demon that gave them the bash. When the Church heard about this, it lead to a refining of it, leading to repentance, confessions of sins and some even gave their witchcraft books to be burned. Again this seems to be incompatible with the account you have given.
Your thoughts on these Phillip?
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Posted : 18 Jun, 2011 10:54 AM
the word of God is revealed to man by the holy spirit it can not be intellectually understood as George preaches.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Php 1:14 And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
Question if fear is a spirit, what spirit is it?
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 10:13 AM
Fear obviously defined and revealed in context.
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
In one context you see the word saying he has not given us a spirit of fear, and in another the word says that others may fear, there is obviously a different application.
The word translated fear as is the beginning of wisdom is as in awe or deep reverence.
I once heard this simple truth years ago when I heard a man say simply that when we look in the dictionary, we are not finding definition's of the word, as much as we find how the word has been used in the past.
1.
a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.
2.
a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights.
3.
concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.
4.
reverential awe, especially toward god.
5.
that which causes a feeling of being afraid; that of which a person is afraid: Cancer is a common fear.
In the light of what I said go back to this scripture:
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
let us not forget as revealed in this scripture that in context we know that fear is a spirit, and knowing that perfect love cast out all fear, we also know that spirit is not of God.
I appreciate that there are different expressions and usages of fear. God calls us to have a fear of the Lord, so what does this mean; or rather what can we learn and can it increase our intimacy. These scriptures are Holy Spirit inspired.
I agree with you that you cannot understand scripture without the Holy Spirit as reffered to prevoiusly - scripture was used to tempt Jesus. If you are suggesting that the intellect (a meaning laden and ambigious term) is not a means by which God does this I would have to disagree with you on that.
For one that does not support intellect, I find it difficult to reconcile with the usage of contemporary cultural definitions.
I to your experience of it my mine is; yes and. This for me is based on the principle of integrity. And that the narrative that one draws from scripture and revelation needs have scope of the entire Bible.
The unsaved should fear God because He can send them to hell as per Luke 12:5: and the saints should fear that they will lose many of their eternal rewards in heaven:
Phil 2:12: "Continue to work out your salvation with fear."
I Peter 1:17: "Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear."
2 Cor 5:10: For we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."
2 John 1:8: "Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully."
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His **FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**:angel::angel:{See Matt 24:30-31;25:31-40 & 2 Thess 1:6-10}}, and **THEN** He will *REWARD* each person according to what he has done," :applause:
1. For God has not given us the "spirit of fear", but of power, and of love, and of sound mind.
2.God is Spirit, and those worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth...
I know the discussion is about fear, but since you commented about everybody blaming everything on spirits, I was just wondering how you see these passages and their meanings as related to the Spirit of God, and the spirit of man... which will bring us into why God told so many of His servants, and teaches us not to fear when we first comes into the presence of His Holy Spirit...
I think that there is at least a degree to which we can entrap oursevles in a spirits, and that we need to be aware of these. That being said I do not think that this removes personal responsibility however I can cetailny see where you are coming from.
