I will put together a few Scripture which have been used wrongly,to try to prove that H-W can call into existence things that they desire.
Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
According to the H-W proclaimers,Yeshau called into existence the things we see from nothing.
As He had spoken POWER went out from His mouth,power to create.
We also can create,for there is power in what we say.
According to Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
We can create wealth by speaking it into existence.
Kenneth Copeland in one of His earlier books had written;
'When GOD speaks things come into being,there is power released'.
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ARE CHRISTIANS �LITTLE GODS�?
Written by: deb on Wed, Jan 13 2010.
Have you ever heard Word of Faith proselytizers teaching a heretical theology in which they refer to themselves as �little gods�?
Here�s an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on �Word of Faith� that explains this �little gods� heresy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith
�Many Word of Faith teachers have sought to emphasize the full meaning of the believer�s status as a child of God (through Christ) by using phrases such as �little gods� to describe them, a practice that has garnered some criticism from some other segments of the Christian community .
Kenneth Hagin wrote that God �made us in the same class of being that he is himself,� and that the believer is �called Christ� because �that�s who we are, we�re Christ!�
According to Hagin, by being �born again�, the believer becomes �as much an incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth�.
Kenneth Copeland says Adam was �not a little like God � not almost like God ��, and has told believers that �You don�t have a God in you. You are one.�
Based primarily on the Psalms 82:6, which says �I have said, Ye are gods and all of you, children of the Most High�; this was also corroborated by Jesus making reference to this scripture in John 10:34.
A common theme in Word of Faith preaching is that God created man as �an exact duplication of God�s kind.� (Hebrews 1:3, John 14:12, etc) It should be noted that in all of this, there is no argument of man�s ability to exist and operate independently of God but rather, the emphasis in on what the believer can become in God.
Suffer the Children, a documentary highlighting some of the teachings of the Word of Faith movement, has a video clip of Creflo Dollar teaching the �little gods� doctrine to his congregation based on the notion that �everything reproduces after its own kind�.
Dollar: �If horses get together, they produce what?�
Congregation: �Horses!�
Dollar: �If dogs get together, they produce what?�
Congregation: �Dogs!�
Dollar: �If cats get together, they produce what?�
Congregation: �Cats!�
Dollar: �So if the Godhead says �Let us make man in our image�, and everything produces after its own kind, then they produce what?�
Congregation: �Gods!�
Dollar: �Gods. Little �g� gods. You�re not human. Only human part of you is this flesh you�re wearing.�
Now listen to Joyce Meyer explaining why she believes in this false theology.
Joyce Meyer Teaches on �Little Gods�
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y4eVu2oxP8&NR=1
For further evidence regarding the teaching of �little gods�, here is an excerpt from an excellent web site that documents the promotion of this heresy by Kenneth and Gloria Copeland and their mentor Kenneth Hagin.
http://www.watchman.org/reltop/unbiblcl.htm
The life and death the tongue contains,is that we are able to destroy a person with our words and conversations about them to others.
Instead this is how we should be using our tongues.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Kenneth Copeland has been discipling Creflo Dollar in the art of speaking gibberish.
Aloha
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All of this is public information,anyone is able to have access to this.
I didn't realize you were a guy, no picture, ya know? :rolleyes:
River, we have all kinds of instruction in the word about trying the spirits and discerning them or their teachings. I don't try to slam or knock the person, but the teachings are harming people and that touches a nerve because of the abuse I went through. I am a mercy person, but not to the point where I will ignore the elephant in the room, anymore.
I once felt like you, River, and it was because I was taught not to question anything coming from my pastors or the people they supported "word of faith movement." That in itself is wrong, right there. They leave us as "sheeples" and do no help us to grow up and mature to the meat of the word. A good pastor will tell you to check out his teachings and to ask questions. I could put all of this into my own words, but I don't have time today, with grandkids here. :yay: So, I will cite it for you and I'm truly trying to help you, River. Peace~
III. It is Right To Name Names
"Many mistakenly believe that it is wrong to expose error and to name the guilty teachers; but they are wrong according to the Bible.
Paul named Peter publicly. Peter was guilty of unscriptural practice. "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed...But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" (Galatians 2:11-14). The whole issue revolved around salvation by the law or by grace. When the integrity and purity of the gospel is at stake, then we have no choice when it comes to the matter of exposing error and naming names.
Paul named Demas for loving the world. "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world" (2nd Timothy 4:10). Those who forsake the cause of Christ for worldly living and pleasures should be name and exposed.
Paul named Hymenaeus and Alexander. Paul told Timothy to "war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaesus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme" (1st Timothy 1:18-20). God's true servants should war a good warfare, and name those who have departed from the faith that was once delivered to the saints. Paul is not here discussing the faith of salvation but the faith as a system of doctrine. These men had made shipwreck of it and Paul exposed them and called their names.
Paul named Hymenaeus and Philetus. He told Timothy to "study" that he might be able to "rightly" divide "the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some" (2nd Timothy 2:15-18). False doctrine overthrows the faith of some, so those who are proclaiming it must be exposed.
Paul named Alexander the coppersmith. "Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words" (2nd Timothy 4:14-15). It is clear that this is not a personality problem, but a doctrinal problem. Alexander had withstood the words and doctrine of Paul. He was an enemy to the truth. Godly pastors face the same problem every day. They stand and proclaim the truth, then their members go home and hear this truth disputed by radio and TV preachers. Often times these false prophets are sending their publications into the homes of members of true churches. Then the man of God is suppose to keep his mouth shut, according to many. Only a coward will be silent when the truth of the Bible is under attack.
John name Diotrephes. "I wrote unto the church; but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, recieveth us not" (III John 9). He related how this man had prated against him "with malicious words" (v.10). He further said, "Beloved, follow not that which is evil but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God, but he that doeth evil hath not seen God" (v.11). It is not wrong to name those whose doctrine and practice is contrary to the Word of God.
In fact, the whole Bible abounds in examples of false prophets being named and exposed. All this modern day talk about love, used as an excuse for not exposing error, is not really biblical love but is really sloppy agape.
Moses called the name of Balaam. (See Numbers 22-25). Peter exposed "the way of Balaam... who loved the wages of unrighteousness" (2nd Peter 2:15). Balaam was a prophet that was in the work for money, just like some of the TV false prophets today. They beg for money and live like kings, while multitudes of innocent people send them their hard earned money. They are always building colleges, hospitals, TV networks satellites, and amusement parks that have a water slide for Jesus. And then we are suppose to keep our mouth shut about these religious charlatans. How can we be silent and be true to God?
Jude exposed "the error of Balaam" (Jude 11). John exposed "the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication" (Revelations 2:14). This gets right to the heart of the matter, concerning the doctrine of separation. Balaam never did curse Israel even though he wanted the wages that he was offered to do so. The men of Israel committed "whoredom with the daughters of Moab...and bowed down to their gods" (Numbers 25:1,2). Why did they do this? Because Balaam taught Balac how to break down the barrier of separation between the Moabites and the Israelites. We know this to be so because it is plainly stated in Revelation 2:14 and Numbers 31:16. This sin resulted in 24,000 men of Israel dying under the judgment of God.
False teachers are breaking down the barrier of separation between God's people and false religion. There is too little preaching and teaching on the doctrine of separation. Balaam breached the doctrine of personal separation by causing the men of Israel to commit fornication with the Moabite women. He breached the doctrine of ecclesiastical separation by causing the men of Israel to bow down to Baal. This brought a curse upon Israel. Until we get back to teaching the truth about personal and ecclesiastical separation, we can expect the continued widespread havoc that we have today.
It seems to be believed by many that some people are too high and mighty to be named or exposed. Men in high places, pastors of large churches, and those with great radio of TV audiences, are supposedly above criticism. Whatever they may do or say, no matter how contrary to the Bible it may be, is supposedly all right. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Nathan identified the man. There was a man in a very high place who was a secret adulterer. Surely this man who held the highest office in the land could not be rebuked by a lowly unpopular prophet. Nathan went right into the presence of David, revealed the sin in a parable form, and then told the enraged David, "Thou art the man" (2nd Samuel 12:7).
Hanani name king Jehoshaphat. In many ways Jehoshaphat was a good king, but he mistakenly forgot to practice religious separation. He caused his son to marry wicked king Ahab's daughter. (See 2nd Chronicles 18:1; 21:1-6). He made an alliance with Ahab and went to the battle of Ramoth-gilead with him (2nd Chronicles 18). Hanani "said to King Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord?" (2nd Chronicles 19:2). We have a question for those who insist on working with Charismatics, Catholics, and members of the National Council of Churches, "Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord?"
Yes, it is right to expose error and to name those who are in error. It is right to "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3). It was once delivered and it has never been recalled for revision. We had better beware of "false teacher...who privily shall bring in damnable heresies" (2nd Peter 2:1). Faithful messengers will warn the sheep of these heretics, and identify them by name. It is not enough to broadly hint of their identity, for the young lambs will not understand and will be destroyed by the wolves."
I have to completely agree with joey. I believe there is nothing wrong with naming names. I think it helps to know what the mega preachers are teaching. False doctrine? Why cover up who is teaching what? Especially since so many people consider them men of God. If they teach Untruths, we should know about it.
