Author	Thread: Election and Reprobation
Admin	Election and Reprobation Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 08:02 PM Election and Reprobation To "elect" means to select or choose. According to the Bible, before creation God selected from the human race those whom He would redeem, justify, sanctify, and glorify in Jesus Christ. (Rom.8:28-39; Eph.1:3-14: 2Thess.2:13,14: 2Tim.1:9,10). The divine choice is an expression of free and sovereign grace. It is not merited by anything in those who are chosen. God owes sinners no mercy of any kind, only condemnation: so it is a wonder that He should chose to save any of us. Like every truth about God, the doctrine of election involves mystery, and it sometimes stirs controversy. But in Scripture it is a pastoral doctrine, helping Christians to see how great is the grace that saves them, and moving them to respond with humility, confidence, and praise. We do not know what others God has chosen among those who do not yet believe, nor do we know why He chose us in particular. We do know that we believe now only because we were chosen, and we know that as believers we can rely on God to finish the good work He has begun (1 Cor.1:8,9: Phil.1:6; 1Thess.5:23:,24: 2Tim.1:12: 4:18). For these reasons the knowledge of election is a source of gratitude and confidence. Peter tells us we should be "diligent to make our calling and election sure." (2Pet.1:10)- That is, certain to us. Election is known by its fruits. Paul knew that the thessalonians had been chosen because he saw their faith, hope, and love. The transformation of their lives brought about by the gospel (1 Thess.1:3-6). Reprobation is the name given to God's eternal decision regarding those sinners whom He has not chosen for life. In not choosing them for life, God has determined not to change them. They will continue in sin, and finally will be judged for what they have done. In some cases God may further remove the restraining influences that keep a person from extremes of disobediance. This abandonment, called "hardening" is itself a penalty for sins (Rom.9:18: 11:25: Ps.81:12: Rom.1:24,26,28). Reprobation is taught in the Bible (Rom.9:14-24: 1Pet.2:8), but as a doctrine its bearing on Christian behavior is indirect. God's decree of election is secret; which persons are elect and which are reprobate will not be revealed before the judgment. Until that time, God's command is that the call to repent and believe be preached to everyone. From: the study notes in the Reformation Study Bible Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 02:08 PM Of course I could, it is the reformer that deny's the truth, that is very obvious, bit I am not get into all the foolishness all everyone is wrong but You. Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 02:09 PM SO I was right? Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 06:13 PM Where you error in the Scriptures you posted: "2 Tim.1:9 " who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began," *the phrase "in Christ Jesus" hmmm...... seems you have selective vision. The calling was given " in Christ Jesus " before the ages began. To explain : Lets say you decide to take the cruise to heaven offered on the Jesus ship, you will have a job waiting on board for you ever before the ship sails.....there is a job/calling already in existence before the ship sails ....your calling was given ( only in Christ ) before the ages began. Hope this helps ;-) Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 06:17 PM 2 Thess. 2:13,14 "But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." * Again... we are choosen in Christ as first fruits, there are no first fruits outside of Christ......period Hope that helps ;-) Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 06:26 PM Romans 8:28-39 "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. *God foreknew those in Christ, God foreknew the Church, the Body of Christ, "the Jesus Ship". The Jesus ship has a pre-determined destination (PREDESTINED) therefore those who agree to board are predestined and while on the cruise they will be conformed to the image of Jesus ; justified and glorified. Hope this helps ;-) Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 06:32 PM Sorry, I got talking about the Reformation Study Bible, didn't mean to skirt the issue and avoid Scripture, that was not my intent. Since I don't see any more erroneous scripture interpretations to correct, I guess that is it for now. I was happy to share truths you will not find in your Reformation Study Bible notes. ;-) Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 07:15 PM Ryan how can a man make you see against your will if Jesus can't? Quit trying to blame others for resisting the truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	Election and Reprobation Posted : 17 Apr, 2011 07:18 PM Two there is a real important truth in 8 29 also, he was the first born. Post Reply

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