Author	Thread: Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
Admin	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 05:08 AM There are some brothers among us who interpret the Bible in light of their Doctrine. They would have you believe Ephesians 2:1 ("...you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live....") means the spirit of man is literally dead, (though it is hard to imagine how a person could live without a spirit). I feel the word dead is meant figuratively, meaning the spirit of man without the help of the Holy Spirit is dead to spiritual things and ultimately condemned to death. But don't take my word for it or let preconceived doctrine determine what the word 'dead' means in relation to mans spirit. Rather let's let the Bible show us how to interpret the word 'dead' in the Ephesians verse : Isaiah 57:16 " I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me....." Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward....?" 1Corinthians 2:11 "For who among men knows" the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? So in light of what the Bible has to say on the spirit of man, what do you think, is the spirit of man literally dead or figuratively dead? Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:27 PM 2spar...you are starting to sound like James with all those big fancy words...:nahnah:...Yall hava a Great weekend...luv yall...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:31 PM 2sparrow, what in the world are you talking about "two diametrically oppsed posts on the same thread? What is opposing about my posts? Explain yourself... Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:31 PM James, You say a dead man cannot respond to God Adam hiding from God 'is a spiritual response' to God. A dead man can't be afraid and hide. I think you are intelligent enough to see that any response indicates life. Not eternal life but the life of the mortal spirit God has put in man. This spirit can desire God with the help of God, however left on its own it will die. With God's help a man can desire God and say yes to God, only then is he born again, regenerate. But I doubt you will admit the validity of this because you fear this puts the doctrine of total depravity in jeopardy. Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:35 PM Jude, That was for the benefit of ET. ;-) Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:36 PM ok, 2sparrow, I'm waiting for you to explain your comment that my two posts are diametrically opposing... what do you mean by this comment and what makes my two post as such in your opinion? SPLAIN YOURSELF based on your opinion of what I have posted. Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:41 PM Twosparrows said: James, You say a dead man cannot respond to God Adam hiding from God 'is a spiritual response' to God. A dead man can't be afraid and hide. I think you are intelligent enough to see that any response indicates life. Not eternal life but the life of the mortal spirit God has put in man. This spirit can desire God with the help of God, however left on its own it will die. With God's help a man can desire God and say yes to God, only then is he born again, regenerate. But I doubt you will admit the validity of this because you fear this puts the doctrine of total depravity in jeopardy. James replies: Fallen mankind cannot respond TO God, Towards God. all you are showing, and all Scripture shows is that fallen man will ONLY choose to reject God. You say, "this spirit can desire God" and Paul says that "NO ONE SEEKS FOR GOD". Jesus says "NO ONE" can come to Him unless the father draws them. Why would Jesus say that? Why would He repeat it? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 05:13 PM James this is what I posted: "This spirit can desire God with the help of God, however left on its own it will die." and "With God's help a man can desire God and say yes to God," Then James, you post this? : "You say, "this spirit can desire God" and Paul says that "NO ONE SEEKS FOR GOD". Jesus says "NO ONE" can come to Him unless the father draws them" Why would Jesus say that? Why would He repeat it? ------------------------- James, I repeated my self, yet you still did not see? Are you being a goober on purpose? You must admit this is pretty sad. Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 05:38 PM ok... Again, 2sparrow, you made this comment regarding my two posts on page 1 of this thread. I am still waiting for you to explain yourself as to what you mean by this comment and what you find in my posts that are diametrically oppsing? Are you able to explain your comment and point out within the content of my posts that make them as such?... 2sparrow said:" ET, not only are you brilliant, but also hilarious! Two diametrically opposed posts on the same thread from you in the same day, you are quite the enigma." Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 06:43 PM ET, your first post is in total agreement with my position on the topic, then you post again telling me that I don't get it. .....your right,...now I dont get it...lol ! It really doesn't matter. Your first post was excatly what I see the Bible teaching. What is really being discussed here is the position of Calvinism that says the spirit of man is literally dead, so they must be born again 'before' they can accept Jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead? Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 07:48 PM It is obvious that you don't believe that when fallen mankind is described as "dead" that doesn't mean anything pertaining to the ability of man to choose God. Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. How can a man choose God if the only things he thinks pertaining to God is "evil continually"? Job 15:14-16 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight. How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water? How can God make it any clearer? Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? Psa 143:2 And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified. Pro 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? Oh! let me answer this one!!! Proverbs 20:9 who can say? The ARMINIAN says, "by my decision I have made my heart clean!" This is a rhetorical question, because the WRITER of Proverbs KNEW that fallen man cannot repent and trust in the Messiah. Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil. Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Rom 3:9-12 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Jam 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. And how many times has Jesus Himself TOLD US that we CANNOT come to God UNLESS the Father draws, us, UNLESS the Holy Spirit MAKES US into new creatures? Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. Joh 8:43-45 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Joh 12:37-41 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. Post Reply

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