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Admin	How did the old testament saints Posted : 7 Apr, 2011 11:15 PM How did the old testament saints make it to heaven? Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 02:39 PM James, where's your scriptures saying that people are in heaven. You are like PJ- no scriptures. Didn't realize you guys were that shy about posting scriptures. How many scriptures do I have to post? eagerly waiting for thte revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. the dead will be raised incorruptible. is it not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints. and give to you who are troubled rest when thte Lord Jesus is revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels now brethryn concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him Mark 13 vs 27 : and then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the farthest part of the earth to the farthest part of heaven. Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 03:20 PM Hilltop the believing of this post is where are the old testament saints today, and where would you have us to believe Jesus is? Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 03:24 PM Not sure where you are coming from ET. I was talking about where people go when they die. You posted recently that no one rose from the dead ahead of Jesus. I mentioned nothing about salvation in the old testament. Here's a couple scriptures though- Jude 14 : Now Enoch the seventh from Adam prophesied about these men also saying, behold the Lord comes with ten thousands saints. Job 19 vs 25 : For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth. ET- What redeemer is Job talking about? Still waiting for scriptures that say when you die you go to heaven. James talked about traditions of men but gave no scriptures. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 03:38 PM PJ, Psalm 6 vs 5 : For in death there is no remembrance of You, who will give You praise. Eccl 9 vs 10 : What ever your hand finds to do , do it with your might ; for theere is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom IN THE GRAVE WHERE YOU ARE GOING. Read Job chpt 3. Why did Samuel ask Saul, Why did you bring me UP ( by the witch of Endore)? Why did he not say, why did you bring me down, if he was in heaven? Not sure if I asked or not, but do you have any scriptures to support your position?:zzzz: Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 03:41 PM I do, but you obviously do not, my last question was where would you have us believe Jesus is. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 03:48 PM Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. Personally I believe He has his hands on the arms of the throne and is Getting ready to stand up and head our way. No scripture for that, it's an IMHO. I like to believe it any way. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:09 PM PJ, You are too modest. Show us some scripture. II Tim 2 vs 16 - 18 : But shun profane and vain babblings , for they will increase to more ungodliness. VS 17 : And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of theis sort, VS 18 : who have strayed concerning the truth , saying that the resurrection has already past; and they over throw the faith of some. The Apostle Paul was condemning these men for saying the resurrection had already occurred. The resurrection is an event and it happens at Jesus 2nd coming. The men of Nineveh will rise and condemn this generation ect.... Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:11 PM Hilltop, please bring forth a recent post wherein I stated that no one was raised from the death before Jesus. I would like to see that myself..lol... I don't think you understood what I was saying that Jesus was the FIRST born from the dead. Which has nothing to do with the old saints dying and going to heaven. Bring forth that post you speak about... Job speak about His Redeemer and his redeemer is the same as our redeemer God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. Read those chapters I gave out Hilltop, then you will know that the saints of Old when they ided they went to heaven, where else would they go we havegreat cloud of witness as those who died and lived by faith. Hilltop, If the saints of old didn't go to heaven where did they go when they died? And when David spoke about going to his son that God struck dead because of David's sin, where was Daive speaking about when he said Now that my son is dead, why should I any longer fast? Can I bring him back? I will go to him, but he will not return to me. So where is this David speaking about? First, Hilltop read those chapters from those books I gave, then you will know that ALL saints go to heaven when we died, whether in the Old or New Testement and then come back and discuss. Where do you think the saints of old went? Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 04:19 PM Again, you can't effectively discuss scripture if no one is reading. Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians chapter 2-5, about what happens when we died, and he lets us know that to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord. In Philippians chpayer i, Paul expresses his desire to live and to die, and what does he say?... For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ which is better. Neveretheless, to remain in the flesh is more needful for you...so where was Paul planing on going to be with Christ? He wanted to live and died so where was he going, and where was Christ? Hilltop you have me wodnering if you believe if we go to heaven when we die at all, if you don't believe that the old saints whne to heaven when they died...lol ... where you come up with this? Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 05:38 PM Matt 8:11 ".......many will come....and take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven." Mark 12:26-27 " Now about the dead rising---- have you not read in the book of Moses, ......how God said to him 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are badly mistaken!" Post Reply

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