Author	Thread: Logic vs. Spirit II
Admin	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 08:33 AM Did you hear what the man, said about the man that trys to communicate spiritual things being logical, or employing logic in understanding spiritual matters. Logic is like a log in the eye you see, or do you really see with the log in the eyes. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. One more thought how is it that logic, a product of the mind is any greater after a man is saved than before he is saved. For the bible does teach the word of God is believed with the heart and as it is received in the heart it grows. By the way when the bible speaks of faith, bible faith is of the heart, the spirit of man!!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:12 PM Ryan, if you are a man with awareness, you have seen that the major cults calling themselves 'Christian' have 'logically' based their theology on their logical interpretation of the Bible. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:19 PM twosparrows - Systematic Theology uses logic to determine truth which then becomes the premise for determining further truth Ryan - No it uses scripture. Scripture however is not illogical twosparrows - We all agreethe Bible teaches mankind is depraved and cannot save himself, however the Calvinist goes beyond what the Bible says and declares that after the fall man cannot even choose God when God presents him with the choice, Ryan - How does a dead man make himself alive? How is one born again? The spirit goes where it wills, not where man wills(John 3:7-8) How do you interpret those verses? twosparrows - So there you have it, a explanation and example of how logic declares itself as a greater teacher than the Bible by going beyond what the Bible teaches and declaring it as truth Ryan - No, what you have shown that flawed logic(in your opinion) does this. You have not shown that logic itself does this. twosparrows - When they have it all logically figured out they go around letting everyone know and how everyone else's understanding is wrong because it is not logically deduced. Ryan - Funny because I've been told I'm wrong a lot recently. I don't get my beliefs from logic. I get them from scripture. I just happen to believe scripture is logical. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:20 PM twosparrows - Ryan, if you are a man with awareness, you have seen that the major cults calling themselves 'Christian' have 'logically' based their theology on their logical interpretation of the Bible. Ryan - I happen to think they are rather illogical. You would call them logical? Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:34 PM Ryan -No it uses scripture. Scripture however is not illogical twosparrows: Please don't be insulting by debating like a 3rd grader. Look up systematic theology and get back to me. As for Scripture being illogical : So you are saying by logic you can explain and understand every mystery in Scripture even logically explain God? That is a pretty tall claim from one who doesn't understand the definition of systematic theology. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:49 PM twosparrows - Please don't be insulting by debating like a 3rd grader. Look up systematic theology and get back to me. Ryan - I'm sorry if you feel insulted as that was not my intention. I know what systematic theology is and I don't know why you say it doesn't use scripture but uses logic. If that's debating like a 3rd grader then I'm sorry. twosparrows - So you are saying by logic you can explain and understand every mystery in Scripture even logically explain God? Ryan - No I'm not saying that "I" can. I'm just saying that those mysteries even not understood by us are still logical. There will always be mysteries that we cannot know. It is not my believe that we can explain them all with logic, just that they're logical. twosparrows - That is a pretty tall claim from one who doesn't understand the definition of systematic theology. Ryan - You are better than this. Let's be civil Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 01:59 PM Oh Ryan, thou art a great man of logic, please grace us by sharing your logical illumination on the following questions: If God loves man, why did He cast Satan to earth? Why will hell be thrown into the lake of fire? Jesus said he was coming soon to people who knew what soon meant, Why has it been 2000 years? If man must be born again by the Holy Spirit before repenting and trusting Jesus, and grace is irresistible, then who is the one Scripture speaks of that has tasted the Holy Spirit and turned away? When the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary when she was bethrothed to Joseph, why doesn't that make God guilty of adultery? Could of Jesus sinned? Then why did Satan tempt Him? When Jesus healed the man by the pool where sick people hung out to be healed, why didn't Jesus heal everyone? Since God exists outside time knowing beginning the middle and the end how can you say His choosing is unconditional? If God is Love and all powerful, then why doesn't He save everyone? Ryan that just a few of the top of my head, if you need more I can open the Bible and ask you some hard ones. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 02:01 PM Did you read anything I said at all? If you had, you wouldn't have posted with sarcasm about me being a great man of logic. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 02:08 PM Ryan -I'm sorry if you feel insulted as that was not my intention. I know what systematic theology is and I don't know why you say it doesn't use scripture but uses logic. If that's debating like a 3rd grader then I'm sorry. ----------- Guess you didn't look it up. And I never said it doesn't use Scripture, in fact Scripture is the raw material : If Scripture 'A' means this, and Scripture 'B' means that, and A+B= C, then 'C' is just as true as Scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 02:41 PM I'm beginning to think you have no desire to know what I actually believe. You just want to tell me how I think I know it all, when I said that "I" do not. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 04:15 PM Ryan--- "I'm beginning to think you have no desire to know what I actually believe. You just want to tell me how I think I know it all, when I said that "I" do not." ---------- Ryan, try reading the time of the postings, then you can logically deduce what happened. I gets me going when people put words in my mouth or play dumb as you have. I answer your questions, yet you answer none of mine? Post Reply

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