Hardly any Lutherans know this work, and this is a SAD thing!
Can you imagine, Luther said it was the MOST important thing he ever did, and today hardly any Lutherans know about it, and of course are Arminian.
Absurd!
"It is wrong to suppose that the doctrine of justification by faith
alone, that storm center of the Reformation, was the crucial question in the minds of such theologians as Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, Martin Bucer, and John Calvin. This doctrine was important to the Reformers because it helped to express and to safeguard their answer to another, more vital, question, namely, whether sinners are wholly helpless in their sin, and whether God is to be thought of as saving them by free, unconditional, invincible grace, not only justifying them for Christ's sake when they come to faith, but also raising them from the death of sin by His quickening Spirit in order to bring them to faith." - Michael
That�s not what I asked�Anyone that is Familiar with the History of the Protestant Reformation Understands the Importance of the Key People involved in it�My Question was�
Why are You Preaching Luther now ?
I mean since Calvin and Luther never saw Eye to Eye on Anything and You are a follower of Calvin's Doctrine, Puritin, A-Melinnal�I find it Ironic that You now are presenting to the People here Luthers take on All of the Bible�
P.S�.I have a Bible in my hand because someone Protested against the Catholic Church because they put a Man betwixt GOD and the People�Jesus said No One comes to the Father except through Him�xo
That�s not what I asked�Anyone that is Familiar with the History of the Protestant Reformation Understands the Importance of the Key People involved in it�My Question was�
James replies:
I am stunned by how much you sound like a completely different person each time you reply to a thread.
First you say that ("*** Calvin / Luther...Need I say more ???....xo ) are literally the Tares in Jesus parable of the wheat and the Tares!
THEN you say, "...I dont believe anyone here really cares what Luther or Calvin says or what their greatest accomplishment Were..."
NOW YOU SAY.......".Anyone that is Familiar with the History of the Protestant Reformation Understands the Importance of the Key People involved in it�"?
Jude said:
Why are You Preaching Luther now ?
James replies:
I am not "preaching" Luther, I am posting on the things he said and wrote, and maybe in the future, on things he accomplished in his life.
Jude continues:
I mean since Calvin and Luther never saw Eye to Eye on Anything
James replies:
Ahem....the TITLE of this post is the BOOK that Luther wrote
called "The Bondage of the Will".
They agreed on this central point, and many other things as well.
Jude said:
and You are a follower of Calvin's Doctrine,
James replies:
That a LIE and I am now asking you to STOP lying about this.
The NICKNAME "Calvinism" is talking about FIVE points of Doctrine. The ONLY reason there are five points is because the ARMINIANS drew up five things they did not like about what ALL the Christian churches were teaching.
I attend a non-denominational Reformed church, and I think Reformed theology is the most accurate that exists.
I realize that saying that I am a "follower of Reformed theology" does not quite have the punch you are looking for.
You wish to LIE and say that I follow someone besides Jesus, because I disagree with YOU.
I will repeat this again to you and maybe you will remember it.
I can produce Quotes and quote from books from Christians ALL throughout church history, that AGREE with my beliefs.
I did not come to my beliefs by reading the Bible and pretending my private religious hunches were infallible and directly from the Holy Spirit. The way I came about them was through trying to be wise by listening to what the Bible said, about we Christians needing the body of Christ, about how God had put teachers here for us, and how there is wisdom in many counselors.
Jude continues:
Puritin, A-Melinnal�I find it Ironic that You now are presenting to the People here Luthers take on All of the Bible�
James replies:
Well, you and I have such completely different mindsets.
I think the idea of respecting the Reformers, and church history is something you disagree with completely.
So, it is hard for you to imagine me, or anyone else having respect for giants of the faith all throughout church history.
You think your private religious hunches are infallible.
You don't understand why any Christian would EVER listen to the Body of Christ for the last two thousand years.
I think that since God has PLACED us here in time, that we are RESPONSIBLE TO KNOW what the consensus of the church is, what the church has decided, and that we should we wise and place serious consideration of what Christians have thought all this time, when we are interpreting Scripture.
Jude continues:
P.S�.I have a Bible in my hand because someone Protested against the Catholic Church because they put a Man betwixt GOD and the People�Jesus said No One comes to the Father except through Him�xo
James replies:
Congratulations that is the most stunted hyper oversimplification of the Reformation I have ever heard. I have no idea why you add that Scripture to that statement.
What is the difference between Joshua and Caleb and the rest of the people, they where all spiritually dead people that God expected to obey him, but as you can see the majority willed not to believe the lord by an act of their will, as Joshua and Caleb willfully obeyed the lord.
They that did not obey where walking by sight!! and thus brought forth an evil report.
Num 14:6 And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes:
7 And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land.
8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.
9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not.
10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.
11 � And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them?
Num 14:21 But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.
22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land where into he went; and his seed shall possess it.
