Thread: Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
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Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 03:10 PM
The following can be found on the third page of this forum, and on the last page of the "For Whom did Christ Die?" thread. Of all the debates with the Calvinistic views we've had going on here, I have to say that this post literally turned my stomach. I find it difficult to believe that a professing Christian can be so void of the love that is supposed to set us apart from the world. My mind cannot fathom the belief of one who can deny the power of the Cross of Jesus Christ and be glad that it's power does not reach all sinners, as if it were the size of the sin that is the determining factor here instead of the size of the atoning sacrifice of Christ.
"Why I am Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived.
The Reason I am glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived is because of the extreme EVIL that some people have committed their entire lives. I remember being a member of First Baptist, and a team of doctors came in, and presented a detailed medical opinion of what Jesus went through BEFORE, and during His crucifixion. Using the Scriptural data, they concluded that Jesus SHOULD have died BEFORE He got to the cross! Jesus was whipped with a device that killed people regularly. He was whipped by a man who did this all the time and was skilled at it. They beat him, and did all manner of terrible things to Him, and this was for HOURS before He was crucified.
When I think of the EVIL that Pol Pot, and Mao, and Stalin, and Hitler have done.....when I think of the EVIL of murdering kings, and warlords, of Pedophiles, of people who did their utmost to trample and hurt other people all their lives........... I am GLAD that Jesus did NOT die for them.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and without Him, I would be in Hell right this moment. His life was perfect, and he ALWAYS did the right thing, and He died a horrible death to pay for the sins of His people. That is bad enough, because even the people Jesus died for have sinned many, many times.
But some people on this Earth, are just so evil, that I am GLAD Jesus did not die for them."
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: -Galatians 1:13
Did God forget to tell Paul of Tarsus, who was a murderer of the Church of God "beyond measure", that although He was mightily used of God, Jesus did not die for him? Was Paul any more or less lost than we were without Christ? Can lost be measured? Is it ever the amount of man's sin that makes salvation possible or impossible? Or is one more dead in their sins than another?
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: -Isaiah 59:1
Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? -Job 40:9
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 16 Mar, 2011 07:23 PM
James, Not once did I say YOU were disgusting. I try very hard to keep personal insults out of my posts, preferring to attack the argument and not the person.
There are obviously more people that read this forum than there are posters, and if sin can be measured as it appears to be by your belief, for all we know, some of the worst sinners may be reading the threads in this forum. Maybe they are saved and questioning their salvation because of their past and because of your doctrine stating only some can be born-again. Maybe they are not saved and have a shady past, wondering if they can ever receive atonement because of your doctrine stating that the Cross does not reach the world. Or maybe there are those that are simply reading, watching us as Christians interact with each other. If a non-believer reads that a Christian is glad Jesus did not die for everyone, what might that do to him? What does it do to your witness? On one hand you are so grateful that Jesus died for a sinner like you; how thankful you are that you are elect; how wonderful Jesus is, but on the other hand you take a complete opposite stand where other sinners are concerned. You are glad that Jesus didn't die for everyone, how thankful you are that not everyone is elect. To the non-believer this presents a questionable picture of who Jesus is. To the babe in Christ, it can instill fear and thoughts of 'am I really saved'?
As one who disagrees with you, I find this so far fetched that it nauseates me. I think, 'why on earth would a Christian be GLAD that there are certain people that Jesus didn't save'? Why would you be happy that these people will burn in Hell? What do you think about what Dennis wrote? Does it bum you that someone with such atrocities behind him received the Lord? Do you even believe someone with that kind of past can become saved? Think of those in prisons. Jesus said-
"For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. -Matthew 25:42,43
I know several people who are in Prison Ministry. Do you think it's a waste of their time to witness to the pedophiles, the murderers, the rapists, or any other you deem unsavable? Should they preach only to the ones with the least of crimes? Where does it end?
I know we are all passionate about what we believe, and I simply cannot let some things go unchallenged when they are so against Scripture.
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 17 Mar, 2011 12:20 AM
Thank God for Spirit filled women who do not let false doctrine go un-challenged. No one is judging you, james(just discerning false teaching). ____________________________ But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galations 1: 8,9) james, I've told you before that I love you------ even tho you are pushing a dangerous doctrine and have, on more than one occassion, insulted someone who was sincerely trying to help you. In my flesh I might ask you to step outside, but in the Spirit I'm loving you and asking God to let you be a testimony to many when you Truly Meet and Accept Jesus. He's still saving the lost and GOD IS LOVE!
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 17 Mar, 2011 07:58 AM
When I wrote what I wrote I was quating an old kenneth Copeland serman from the late 80's.It came back to my mind. I was carefull not to point one way or the other.
