Some would have you to believe that the father has created evil, allows evil, uses evil to afflict his people.
Nu 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
After all that the father promised his people, he would do for them and give them, he allowed fear to grip them and give out the evil report and all the Israelites but two died in the desert.
The voice of man stands in the corner whispering remember, we said we will call it mercy, anything short of hell.
Jesus said he came to destroy the works of the devil.
The voice of man says it is the will of the father, the will of the devil that is!!
Did Jesus say the devil would flee from him?
The voice of man says even though this sickness is the will of God I am going to the doctor to overcome the will of God, lol
1st timothy 2:14 � Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
I do not claim to be an old testament scholar, but if you will go first to the new testament, you will often find quite a difference in what scripture is saying.
See if it is not true that hebrew translates in a causative sense
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he w
ill he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
1Sa 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?
Know you tell me why know ever acknowledges this scripture when they try to establish Romans nine as the lord's doing.
Follow this topic out thru out the word as you are supposed to and tell me what you find.
1st timothy 2:14 � Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
I do not claim to be an old testament scholar, but if you will go first to the new testament, you will often find quite a difference in what scripture is saying.
See if it is not true that hebrew translates in a causative sense
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he w
ill he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
1Sa 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?
Know you tell me why know ever acknowledges this scripture when they try to establish Romans nine as the lord's doing.
Follow this topic out thru out the word as you are supposed to and tell me what you find.
1st timothy 2:14 � Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
I do not claim to be an old testament scholar, but if you will go first to the new testament, you will often find quite a difference in what scripture is saying.
See if it is not true that hebrew translates in a causative sense
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he w
ill he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
1Sa 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?
Know you tell me why know ever acknowledges this scripture when they try to establish Romans nine as the lord's doing.
Follow this topic out thru out the word as you are supposed to and tell me what you find.
Satan was not allowed to attack Job because of Job's sin.... this is what I mean by well-meaning Christians trying to decide why things are happening in your life. There is not one pat answer for calamities and trials in out lives. Be careful, saints of God.
Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
Job 1:22~Through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God.
Job 2:10 He replied, "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.
Job 1: 12~Then the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him." So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD
PJ, why is it hard for you to see that Satan cannot do anything outside of God's control? Do you think that because Satan has/had to ask permission that God is somehow "working with Satan" towards evil? On the contrary, it is good news to believers because that confirms that Satan is on a short leash, that God is in control.
Here's another verse that indicates the same thing;
Jesus said to the disciple Peter: "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." - Luke 22:31-32
We know that God allowed this, because we know how Peter denied Christ. But look at why...Jesus says "when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." God's reason for allowing this was for Peter to help the other disciples since they were going to undergo the same thing.
God's will was to put Christ on the cross. He didn't create the evil that made that a necessity, but He ordained, allowed, and orchestrated the circumstances surrounding it.
"By the way Margo Jesus prayed that Peter's faith would not fail he said nothing to Satan, Satan does what he does because he is Satan."
So what's your point? He didn't say anything to Satan because there wasn't anything to say. God already granted him to shift Peter as wheat.
In Luke 22:31-32, Jesus said to the disciple Peter: "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat."
The next sentence is " But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail."
This tells us that God allowed it!
Why did God allow this?
"And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."
So as to strengthen Peter, and for him to help his brothers! There was a purpose to this! However, isn't it wonderful that Jesus was praying for Peter, even though he went through this (allowed) trail and testing, just like He does for us!
"Margo i seriously would love to see you put Satan in his place when you believe he is God's puppet. You can not do it."
I AM putting Satan in his place because he is God's "puppet"! That's what I am saying - whatever evil is in this world I believe God is soveriegn to use to turn around for His glory!
Do you believe that God is greater than Satan, PJ?
