Actually, Jesus genealogy is traced on both sides. Matthew 1 traces Joseph�s genealogy, and Luke 3 traces Mary�s genealogy. Both are descendants of David.
That is one of the arguments that people will use to prove that the Bible is wrong, that both genealogies do not match, but they don�t match because it is tracing two different lines.
firends we need women pastors to be councilors of some issues. A woman needs a degree to deal with, as example sex crimes, women issues and the such. They need a degree in pastoral counciling. A man has ne business counciling women how have certain issues.
TO DISAGREE WITH THIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS VERY RECKLESS.
We had a pastor in my home town 25 years ago who did do this thing and got in himself into trouble. There are legal issues. Men should not council women alone about sex.
So, women pastors are needed to council certain kinds of people.
I walked into a spirit filled service approximately one year after I was saved, and their was a picture of a young woman that was teaching in the midday service and out of all my wisdom, I so spiritually said she can not teach she is to pretty!! After about five minutes of listening to her, I bowed my head and asked the father to forgive me.
PhillipJohn, so because you had an emotional feeling about this woman, you state that it is Biblical for a woman to be an ordained pastor? Do you base all your Biblical decisions on personal feelings?
I don't see women called to be pastors or shepherds, but I do think they can minister along side of their pastor husband.
Acts 18:25-26 shows both Priscilla and her husband Aquila take Apollos aside to instruct him on baptism. Priscilla is obviously involved in teaching a man here with her husband with her.
Deborah, Esther, Ruth and the women that Jesus hung out with are examples of women who knew how to minister to people, married or single handed.
God used Deborah, a prophetess, to judge and lead Israel. She was married and was not proud or have an unspoken grudge against men.
Judges 4:4-5~ Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, she judged Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel came up to her for judgment.
4:9~And she said, �I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the road on which you are going will not lead to your glory, for the LORD will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.� Then Deborah arose and went with Barak to Kedesh.
Mary the sister of Martha, was allowed to sit and be discipled by Jesus, Mary Magdalene was the first to announce that Jesus was alive and Philip's four daughters were prophetesses.
Jesus allowed women to follow Him and be his disciples, so He was treating them on a much more equal ground of becoming ministers of the gospel, but I don't see this as them becoming single pastors/shepherds over men and women.
Acts 9:36-Now in Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which translated in Greek is called Dorcas); this woman was abounding with deeds of kindness and charity which she continually did.
Paul acknowledged women co-laborers in the work of the ministry. There were women that had a church in their house.
Phil. 2: 2-3~I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to agree with each other in the Lord. Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow,to help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Romans 16:1-5~ I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people, including me.
Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentile
Greet also the church that meets at their house.
Paul instructed the women to keep silent and apparently he was dealing with some situation or disturbance that the women were causing.
He would be schizo if he said this to all women and then had women co-laborers and prophetesses.
Women with bad attitudes about men, are what is causing the women's liberation movement and that is not Godly.
We've had this discussion on this forum a zillion times, and the truth remains the same.... You all do well.
Ordained by God?... or ordained by men/ or self-ordianed women pastors? God is a God of order, and in Ephesians chapter 4, we are told that God gave some churches apostles, some prophets/prophetess, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the perfection(preparation) of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Chirst... to bring us all into a oness of the faith, unto we have come into the full knowledge of Christ equal to His image as a perfect person.We also see that Jesus gave instructions to His disciples as to when He would return at the resurrection, and for them to meet Him there, but they wre not there, so it was a woman who carried the first words of of the Gospel (good News) Jesus Christ AFTER His resurrection to the disciples that Jesus had arisen from the dead. Was this God's plans for a woman to carry the first words of the risen Savior, I don't think so, otherwise, Jessu would not have told His disciples to meet Him at the grave on the thrd day...but who was there? the women!
Everything God does has purpose, in the beginning He created Adam and Eve, they were the first church in the garden, and first family, and He placed Adam in charge of the church(garden) and the household. BUt Adam sat back and allowed Eve to be deceived, becasue he didn't tell Eve the full instructions God had given to him, and Adam followed after what Eve was doing according to the lie she was told by the seprent, when the man is out of order, according to what God ahs decreed it should eb, everything is out of order, but God continues His work, with whomever He knows will do the work, nothing stops with God.
God never intened for women to be head over the household, but many women are, because the man is out of orderin disobedience being that he is out of the home.
God never place women over the church either, but many men who are SUPPOSE to be over the church are also out of order into all kinds of sins homosexuality, adultry, and theifs of church funds, etc.
Pastor means shepherd over a flock (congrgation) Many Christians don't know that the very first woman shepherd over a flock was Rachel, she was the first shepherdess, because there were no men in her family to care for the flock.
Same as in the church, and I think Margo made a point in this direction, that when there is no men around to cover this possition as pastor, if there is a woman to fill this position, it is proper that she does so. I satnd corrected Margo, if this was not your point.
Same as in a household, when there is no man to cover this head of household position, as God so planned in the beginning, the woman is thrown into being the head of her household, or does the household come to a complete stop?
God has called women to be prophertess, and accordig to His order of call, a prophetess has a higher calling than a pastor of a church. So it is not so much as a woman having authority over a man, its that God has placed man into a leadership roll or athority to take care of the business of His house as well as the man's own house as equla to Chirst, this is why men are placed as head of the church and household, as Ephesians chapter 5, tell us that the marriage is symbolic to the church.
Yet, when there is no man around, do you think God will allow His work to go undone?... I don't think so.
And since we know HIm to be soverign, and that He makes His own rules and can break His rules according to His own plans, without asking permission from anyone, God allow this to happen for women to be over churches, to show His power and to show the disobedience of men who have been called by God to be head of the church and household, but who have given up their spiritual leadership roles to satisfy their own lusts of their flesh. Leaving the work God has called them to do undone therefore, women are taking their places. Still, the church keeps moving, and will never stop just because men are out of place in their leadership roles in the head positions GOD HAS ORDAINED FOR THE MAN, AND NOT THE WOMAN.
God never called a woman to be a Bishop, or a priest. But th Bible show us many women who were prophetess, evangelistis, deaconess, teachers and ministers of the Word.
