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Can a True Christian Lose their Salvation?
Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 12:52 PM

THE PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS OR THE SECURITY OF THE BELIEVERS.

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The Elect are not only redeemed by Christ and renewed by the Spirit;

they are also KEPT in faith by the almighty power of God. All those

who are spiritually united to Christ through regeneration are

eternally secure in Him. NOTHING can separate them from the eternal

and unchangeable love of God. They have been predestined unto

eternal glory and are therefore assured of heaven.

The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints does not maintain that

all who PROFESS the Christian faith are certain of heaven. It is

SAINTS--those who are set apart by the Spirit--who PERSEVERE to the

end. It is BELIEVERS--those who are given true, living faith in

Christ--who are SECURE and safe in Him. Many who profess to believe

fall away, but they do not fall from grace for they were never in

grace. True believers do fall into temptations, and they do commit

grievous sins, but these sins do not cause them to lose their

salvation or separate them from Christ.

This doctrine does not stand alone but is a necessary part of the

Calvinistic system of theology. The doctrines of Election and

Irrisistable grace logically imply certain salvation of those who

receive these blessings. If God has chosen men absolutely and

unconditionally to eternal life, and if His Spirit effectively

applies to them the benefits of redemption, the inescapable conclusion

is that these persons shall be saved.



The following verses show that God's people are given ETERNAL LIFE

the moment they believe. They are KEPT BY GOD'S POWER through faith

and NOTHING CAN SEPARATE THEM FROM HIS LOVE. They have been SEALED

with the Holy Spirit who has been given as the GUARANTEE of their

salvation, and they are thus assured of an eternal inheritance.

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Isaiah 43:1-3: But now thus says the Lord, he who created you, O

Jacob, he formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you:

I have called you by name, you are mine. When you pass through the

waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not

overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,

and the flame shall not consume you. For I am the Lord your God, the

Holy One of Israel, your Savior

Isaiah 54:10: "For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed

but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of

peace shall not be removed, says the Lord, who has compassion on you."



Matthew 18:12-14: "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep,

and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on

the hills and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he

finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the

ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my

Father who is in heaven that ONE of these little ones SHOULD PERISH."



John 3:36: He who believes in the Son HAS ETERNAL LIFE....

John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son,

that whoever believes in him SHOULD NOT PERISH but have ETERNAL LIFE.

John 5:24: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and

believes him who sent me HAS ETERNAL LIFE; he does NOT COME INTO

JUDGMENT, but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE."

John 6:35-40: Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who

comes to me shall NOT HUNGER, and he who believes in me shall NEVER

THIRST. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not

believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me; and HIM WHO

COMES TO ME I WILL NOT CAST OUT. For I have come down from heaven,

not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is

the will of him who sent me, that I should LOSE NOTHING of all that

he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the

will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him

should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."



John 6:47: Truly, Truly, I say to you, he who believes HAS ETERNAL

LIFE.



John 10:27-30: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they

follow me; and I give them ETERNAL LIFE, and THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH,

and NO ONE SHALL SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND. My Father, who has given

them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them

out of the Fathers' hand. I and the Father are one."



See also: John 17:11,12,15



Romans 5:8-10: But God shows his love for us in that while we were

yet sinners Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we are NOW

JUSTIFIED by His blood, MUCH MORE SHALL WE BE SAVED by Him FROM THE

WRATH OF GOD. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God

by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall

we be SAVED BY HIS LIFE.



Romans 8:1: There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are

in Christ Jesus.



Romans 8:29,30: For those he FOREKNEW he also PREDESTINED to be

conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the

first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also

CALLED; and those whom he called he also JUSTIFIED; and those whom he

justified he also GLORIFIED.



Romans 8:35-39: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall

tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or

peril, or sword? AS it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed

all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." NO,

in all these things we are MORE THAN CONQUERORS THROUGH HIM who oved

us. For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angles, nor

principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,

nor height, nor depth, NOR ANYTHING ELSE IN ALL CREATION, WILL BE

ABLE TO SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD.



1 Corinthians 1:7-9: ...so that you are not lacking in any spiritual

gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ; who

will SUSTAIN YOU TO THE END, GUILTLESS in the day of our Lord Jesus

Christ. GOD IS FAITHFUL, by whom you were called into the fellowship

of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.



1 Corinthians 10:13: No temptation has overtaken you that is not

common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted

BEYOND YOUR STRENGTH, but with the temptation will also provide the

way of escape, that you may be ABLE to endure it.





There are so many scriptures to support this!

see also:

2 Corinthians 4:14,17

Ephesians 1:5,13,14

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you

were SEALED for the day of redemption



Colossians 3:3,4

1 Thessalonians 5:23,24

2 Timothy 4:18

Hebrews 9:12,15

Hebrews 10:14: For by a single offering he has PERFECTED FOR ALL

TIME those who are SANCTIFIED.



Hebrews 12:28

1 Peter 1:3-5

1 John 2:19,25

1 John 5:4,11-13,20



Jude 1: To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and

KEPT for Jesus Christ.



At the end of every church service, my pastor comes out from behind

the podium and holds up his hand and says:



(Jude 24,25) Now to him who is able to KEEP YOU FROM FALLING and to

present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with

rejoicing, to the only God, our savior through Jesus Christ our Lord,

be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now

and forever. Amen



I have by no means exhausted the Biblical texts which support

the "five points". but I hope that enough evidence has been

presented to show that these doctrines are drawn directly from

the Holy Scriptures.



Sincerely,



James

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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 09:42 AM

Yes Leon just as scripture teaches us, we are not puppets



All scripture is light and we are to walk in the light as he is in the light.



For instance when one rejects, the simplicity of Jn 3:16, they reject the author of scripture turn away from the light of that scripture refuse to be a doer of the word, unbelieving and turning away from faith.

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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 11:06 AM

PJ,



I have not seen a single person here deny John 3:16. They deny your interpretation of it, and they only do that because your interpretation does not stand the test of ALL scripture. If it did, no one would disagree.



I understand your view, it is the same one I was taught in Bible College. However, I spent 6 months studying with the JW's and saw how they only used the scriptures they wanted to try to prove their views. I started looking at what I had been taught and realized it was the same way. It ignored or dismissed large sections of scripture.



So, I decided that I would start reading without preconceived ideas. I was surprised at what I found, but it made sense. All of scripture fit perfectly for the first time. No scripture had to be ignored, or explained away. It just fit.



It also fit with my salvation experience for the first time. I had thought that my experience was just different than everyone's prior to that, but found that it was in line with everyone from the Apostle Paul to Billy Graham. It was the salvation experience that I had been teaching that was different.



Test all things, hold fast that which is good. We test things, not by what we were taught, but by the whole word of God. If one single verse does not fit, it is false. There is just no way around that.



Leon

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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 03:07 PM

Well John 3:16 is the word of god and it is in total agreement with the word of God, it is just in the way of the doctrines of men.













































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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 03:41 PM

I think we lost the rest??????

To much empty space.

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Posted : 5 Feb, 2011 02:49 AM

James,

Very very few Christians believe one can "lose" their salvation or have it taken forcibly from them. The real question is : Can a Christian return it or give it back. Since you prefaced Christian with "true" it is extremely doubtful if not impossible for a True Christian to refuse their salvation when considering all of Scripture.

However, wisdom dictates it would be better to have the added incentive of the possibility of loss and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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Posted : 5 Feb, 2011 08:45 AM

The light of the word of God is clear that one can depart from the faith, so is it in order to say can he lose his salvation, i believe that is poor wording, it is man's responsibility to walk in the light of the word of God and be a doer of the word.



Do I have fear of walking away and denying the Lord Jesus? no, Can I yes, but will I, I for one will not.

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Posted : 5 Feb, 2011 12:41 PM

What about the Prodigal son? Or Peter denying Jesus three times? Did God divorce Judah?

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Posted : 5 Feb, 2011 02:01 PM

For one Leon Peter was not born again at that time, nor had he received the Holy Spirit.



There is no implication that man will not sin, there is a vast difference from a man committing the act of Adultrey, and departing from the faith and living in adultry.



The question is how far is to far, that is not for me to say, but it is written to the church that such a one will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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Posted : 5 Feb, 2011 02:43 PM

PJ,



I agree. Disobedience always comes at a price. I do not think you can lose your salvation because it is a gift from God, but there is a price to pay. Ezekiel 16 shows how God deals with us when we are doing those things. At the end, it shows that He will honor His covenant, even if we do not. However there is a very heavy price to pay.



Leon

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Posted : 5 Feb, 2011 03:37 PM

The bottom line Gentleman, : Are you going to Trust your salvation to a doctrine, ie : the Perseverance of the Saints? Or to the Person of Jesus Christ?

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