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Admin	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 24 Jan, 2011 08:36 PM The view one takes concerning Salvation will be determined, to a large extent, by the view one takes concerning sin and its effects on human nature. When Calvinists speak of man as being totally depraved, they mean that man's nature is corrupt, perverse, and sinful throughout. It does not mean that man is as totally wicked as he can be. "total" is used to indicate that the WHOLE of man's being has been affected by sin. A. As a result of Adams transgression, men are born in sin and by nature are spiritually dead: therefore, if they are to become God's children and enter His kingdom, they must be born anew of the Spirit. 1. When Adam was placed in the garden of Eden, he was warned not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the threat of immediate SPIRITUAL death. Genesis 2:16,17: and the Lord commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree on the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall die." 2. Adam disobeyed and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:1-7); consequently, he brought spiritual death upon himself and upon the whole human race. Romans 5:12; Therefore as sin came into the world through one man [Adam, see vs. 14] and DEATH through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned. EPHESIANS 2:1-3 and you he MADE ALIVE, when you were DEAD through trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were BY NATURE children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Colossians 2:13; And you who were DEAD in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, GOD MADE ALIVE together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses. 3. David confessed that he, as well as all other men, was born in sin. Psalm 51:5; Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. Psalm 58:3; The wicked go astray from the womb, the err from their birth, speaking lies. 4. Because men are born in sin and are by nature spiritually dead, Jesus taught that men must be born anew if they are to enter God's kingdom. John 3:5-7; Jesus answered, "Truly, Truly, I say unto you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot ENTER the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'YOU MUST BE BORN ANEW'" compare John 1:12,13 B. As a result of the fall, men are blind and deaf to spiritual truth. Their minds are darkened by sin; their hearts are corrupt and evil. Gen. 6:5; The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY. Gen. 8:21...The imagination of man's heart is EVIL from his youth.. Ecclesiastes 9:3...The HEARTS of men are FULL OF EVIL, and madness is in their hearts while they live... Jeremiah 17:9; The HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, and DESPERATELY CORRUPT; who can understand it? Mark 7:21-23; "For from within, OUT OF THE HEART OF MAN, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man." John 3:19; And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and MEN LOVED DARKNESS, rather than light because their deeds were evil. Romans 8:7,8; For the MIND that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; IT does not submit to God's law, indeed it CANNOT; and those who are in the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD. 1 Corinthians 2:14: The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and, HE IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned. Ephesians 4:17-19: Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds; they are DARKENED IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, DUE TO THEIR HARDNESS OF HEART; they have become callous and have given themselves up to licentiousness, greedy to practice every kind of uncleanness. Ephesians 5:8 For once you were DARKNESS, but now you are light in the Lord... Titus 1:15: To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; THEIR VERY MINDS AND CONSCIENCES ARE CORRUPTED. C. Before sinners are born into God's kingdom through the regenerating power of the Spirit, they are children of the Devil and under his control; they are slaves to sin. John 8:44 You are of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and YOUR WILL is to do your father's desires. Ephesians 2:1,2; And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, FOLLOWING THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 2 Timothy 2:25,26; God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from THE SNARE OF THE DEVIL, after being CAPTURED BY HIM TO DO HIS WILL. 1 John 3:10; By this it may be seen who are the children of God, and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not do right is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother. 1John 5:19; We know that we are of God, and the whole world is IN THE POWER OF THE EVIL ONE. John 8:34; Jesus answered them, "Truly , Truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a SLAVE TO SIN". Romans 6:20; When you were SLAVES OF SIN, you were free in regard to righteousness. Titus 3:3; For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, SLAVES to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by men and hating one another. D. The reign of sin is universal; all men are under it's power; consequently, none is righteous---not even one! 2 Chronicles 6:36; ....for there is NO MAN who does not sin... Job 15:14-16; What is a man, that he can be clean? Or he that is born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not clean in his sight; how much less one who is abominable and corrupt, A MAN WHO DRINKS INIQUITY LIKE WATER! PSALM 130:3; If Thou, O Lord, shouldst mark iniquities, Lord, WHO COULD STAND? Psalm 143:2; Enter not into judgment with thy servant; for NO MAN LIVING is righteous before Thee. Proverbs 20:9; Who can say, "I have made my heart clean; I am pure from my sin?" Ecclesiastes 7:20: Surely there is NOT A RIGHTEOUS MAN ON EARTH who does good and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:29; Behold, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many devices. Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way... Isaiah 64:6; We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. Romans 3:9-12; What then? are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that ALL MEN, both Jews and Greeks, ARE UNDER THE POWER OF SIN, as it is written; "NONE is righteous, no, not one; no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong; NO ONE DOES GOOD,NOT EVEN ONE." James 3:2,8; For we all make many mistakes, and if any one makes no mistakes in what he says he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also...but no human being can tame the tongue-- a restless evil, full of deadly poison. I John 1:8,10; If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us..If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. E. Men left in their dead state are unable of themselves to repent, to believe the gospel, or to come to Christ. They have no power within themselves to change their natures or to prepare themselves for salvation. JOB 14:4; Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is not one. Jeremiah 13:23; Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil. Matthew 7:16-18 YOU will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, NOR CAN A BAD TREE BEAR GOOD FRUIT. Matthew 12:33 "Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree bad, and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit." John 6:44; NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS the Father who sent me DRAWS HIM; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:56; And he said, "This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS IT IS GRANTED HIM BY THE FATHER." Romans 11:35,36; "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?" For from him and through him and to him ARE ALL THINGS. to him be glory forever. AMEN. 1 Corinthians 2:14; The UNSPIRITUAL MAN does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and HE IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 4:7; For who sees anything different in you? What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, WHY DO YOU BOAST AS IF IT WERE NOT A GIFT? 2 Corinthians 3:5; Not that we are SUFFICIENT OF OURSELVES to claim anything as coming from us; our sufficiency is FROM GOD. From these Scriptures we see that we are unable of ourselves to do anything toward gaining salvation. We must rely totally on God's mercy and love. Sincerely, James Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 12:52 PM Wow, my mind was on the Lord when I made this short comment, not on the post. Hope you got through it better than I just had! Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 01:31 PM Friends these mean broke away from the catholic church. They were men and not prefect and may have a misintrepretation of the word in some areas. Luther and Calvin both did great things for God. Both mis it in some places. calvin was outstanding in some things and he got the predestination thing wrong. Jesus said we all were given a measure of faith from God the size of a musterd seed.What does this mean? Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 02:49 PM It means Dennis all, or any that will can be doers of the word. That measure of faith is given to man that they can come to the word and then hear, and believe and act on the word. Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 04:00 PM isn't a doer of the word a system of works?????? Are we not saved by grace alone? Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 08:41 PM There are three points that really Irk me about the whole Calvinist thing. 1. Before the Arminians came and confronted the church about five things they didn't like that the protestants all believed, I was just a Christian, or to a Papist, a Protestant. But since the Arminians came and literally CAUSED the first great division among Protestants, I am NOW labeled a Calvinist. Calvinism is just a nickname for five points of Doctrine. and it even bothers me MORE because in America, most Christians are Arminian, and don't even know it!! Take Phillipjohn for example..... He won't admit to it, but he is, and so Arminians get away with out a label, EVEN THOUGH, their beliefs are NOT what Christians have believed historically, which brings me to my next point: 2. If you go to a Reformed church, like Presbytarian, or Reformed Baptist, or whatever, you WILL know the Arminian view and the Calvinist view. IF however, you attend an Arminian church, you will NEVER HEAR of the term Arminian, OR Calvinism, and the OVER ONE HUNDRED VERSES that Calvinists will show you, are NEVER MENTIONED OR PREACHED ON! So, Arminianism wins by default, and MAJOR portions of the New Testament are NEVER DISCUSSED FROM THE PULPIT. 3. I just gave over thirty verses of Scripture showing what the Bible teaches about the utter fallenness of mankind. That fallen mankind has a will enslaved to sin, that we are completely DEAD in sin, and that we CANNOT repent and trust in Jesus unless God FIRST gives us a new heart and nature. And Christians will read these verses, and just ignore them, and turn right around and say to me, "Well, we have free will, and anyone can repent and trust in Jesus." That is why I will only usually discuss Total depravity first, because if you read all those verses and then STILL believe that man has this island of righteousness inside, and they can accept Jesus anytime they want, then WHY should I then go on to discuss God's sovereignty in election, etc? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 09:24 PM James, 1) Acually the Calvinists attacked the Arminians, beheading and killing them the rest fled the country after the Synod of Dort. (How could you say such a thing?) 2) The reason neither is taught is because we really don't care much what two guys 500 years ago thought about Scripture when we have the same Scripture in front of us now. 3) Yes you posted over 30 verses ......with your preconceived meanings poured into them. Anyone can do that with any thing. Why don't you try picking your best verse for "TOTAL" depravity and we'll go from there......??? Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 26 Jan, 2011 11:33 PM James you named yourself a Calvinist when you went outside the word of God. Nobody denies man was spiritually separated from God, it is your opinion, in lieu of scripture that is the problem. Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 27 Jan, 2011 08:16 AM james my brother in the lord, calvin was just a man. We are to follow the word of God and not the man's teachings. Luther like Calvin was just a man and got some things wrong. That is why we need to read the word with an open mind. As long as you have the basics down like Luther and calvin did you are ok. However, they did write some things that were off. Luther was very anti-jewish. I am sure Calvin had his faults too. That is why when we read the word we need to leave our ideas behind and just read it for what it says. Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 27 Jan, 2011 08:46 AM I guess I need to get out more. I've never even heard of Calvin.:excited: chevy Post Reply
View Profile History	What the Bible says about Fallen Mankind....... Posted : 27 Jan, 2011 09:34 AM until I came to this site I had not either. I just followed jesus chevy. hmmmmmmmm is that what we all are to do???? Post Reply

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