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Admin	These Two laws: Posted : 19 Jan, 2011 11:45 AM The law of sowing and reaping The law of faith These two laws where established from the beginning of man in Genesis, they are in operation on the earth and you are operating whether you realize it or not. Do you operate these laws in the light of the word of God? Do you operate them in light of the will of man? Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 22 Jan, 2011 11:20 AM Scriptures are listed. Try again. Post Reply
View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 22 Jan, 2011 12:01 PM I didn't say Scripture was not true, but what you said does not agree with scripture! Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 22 Jan, 2011 04:33 PM Sorry, it does, and the scriptures listed prove it. If you think I am wrong, prove it. Post Reply
View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 12:51 AM Again scripture is not the problem, your opinion and believing are wrong. Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 06:13 AM PJ, Once again, you sit back and spout opinion without either explaining or providing scripture. That is not a godly action. As a brother in Christ, I expect more. We are not to behave as the world behaves, but that is exactly what you are doing here. If you opinion is indefensible, which it is, just tell me: That is not how I see it. You are entitled to your opinion. I can respect that. I cannot respect your antagonistic posts here, so far. That whole attitude, towards a brother, is satanic. I know you can post with clarity, I have seen it. Please extend to me this courtesy. I will not respond again to antagonistic posts. You can post like a Christian, or I will ignore you as a heathen. Post Reply
View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 10:03 AM I did post as a christian, but why would supposedly hold me to a standard you do not hold yourself. You by your own response say that the word of God is not true, that is not antagonistic, it is simply the truth. When one understands the topic of faith, and the law of sowing and reaping, you would respond differently. The principle's are laid out for those that believe, it does not say for those that interpret, or those that do not believe the word of God to be spirit and life and incorruptible. Do not men prove what they believe by the words of their mouth. Faith is always man's response according to the word of God, what he is careful to hear, then believe and then the action, that is how faith cometh and responds. Post Reply
View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 10:16 AM Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. Num13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight Here is an example of what I have stated, ten of the spies decided not to believe what the lord had already told them, they where walking by site, and the word of God calls what they said an evil report. Then there where two that believed and noticed what their faith said: And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes: Num 13:37 And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land. 8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey. 9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not. 10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel. 11 � And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? 12 I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they. 13 And Moses said unto the LORD, Then the Egyptians shall hear it, (for thou broughtest up this people in thy might from among them;) 14 And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night. 15 Now if thou shalt kill all this people as one man, then the nations which have heard the fame of thee will speak, saying, 16 Because the LORD was not able to bring this people into the land which he sware unto them, therefore he hath slain them in the wilderness. 17 And now, I beseech thee, let the power of my Lord be great, according as thou hast spoken, saying, 18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. 19 Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of this people according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now. 20 � And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to thy word: 21 But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. 22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice; 23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it: 24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it. 25 (Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites dwelt in the valley.) To morrow turn you, and get you into the wilderness by the way of the Red sea. 26 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, 27 How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me. 28 Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you: 29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 12:52 PM Now THAT is how a Christian responds, with clarity and scripture. Thank you. I never said we didn't have to have faith. I said faith is given to us by God. The bible even tells us how it is imputed to us...through the gospel message! Romans 10:17. To say faith is of man is a false teaching. The bible is very clear. Faith comes from God. (Rom 12:3) The problem with the doctrine of faith is, it makes it all about man and a "work" to be saved. That is not even close to biblical. Salvation is all of God and NONE of man. For by GRACE you are saved, through faith. It is the grace that saves you. Faith is the window it comes through. Nothing more, nothing less. And God even gives you the window. (Rom. 10:17, 12:3, Eph. 2:8) Nice OT scripture. Too bad we live under the New Covenant. The covenant of GRACE, not the covenant of faith. It is like, a church gives me a bible and says I have to bring a bible to get inside. Yes, I have to have it, but it has been given to me. If I choose not to take it, that is my fault because it was provided. Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 02:32 PM Yes and that is called unbelief, and how can you read the word and say it is all about God, we are in different bibles. the father has already done all he is going to do it is man's time to rule in the body of Christ just the word teaches. Man doesn't pray it doesn't happen, very simple, no more than the father preaches the Gospel, it is man's responsibility. When you understand faith and that it is impossible to please the father him without it, you will not say man has a depraved heart because the word God does not teach such unbelief. Post Reply
View Profile History	These Two laws: Posted : 23 Jan, 2011 02:46 PM Lu 8:25 And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him. Post Reply

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