Author	Thread: How did The New Testament come to be put together?
Admin	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 27 Oct, 2010 07:27 PM How was The New Testament compiled? Who put it together and what method did they use? Please use only Scripture to back up your argument. I am bringing up this topic because I have been accused on this Forum of being "misled" and "misinformed" and "brain washed" by The Catholic Church and I wanted to give any and all the opportunity to prove that to me. Prove that what I have claimed was not true. As Christians we are called to be able to defend our Faith...to defend what we Believe. The dark one is working very hard to deceive us. To split us away from The Flock. We need to Know Our Faith. We can not allow Sophistry to seep into Our Faith. We need to investigate everything we hear. To see if it is True. I await your results...your input...your insight. Peace Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 11:57 AM Hi again Steve; This will be the last error to be corrected in your post as you asked to be corrected. You stated : " do not make comments about the Catholic Church that have no basis in truth" And "Please do not say false things about her" And "Her Doctrines never will be changed" My Dearest Steve; this is a grave error; one perhaps you are a new catholic and therfore are unaware : The Roman Catholic church has been changing its doctrine since 590AD (the official beginning of the catholic church under Gregory 1). But let us stay current ; You say the Catholic Church doesn't change her doctrines? When I was in catholic elementary school, Vatican. 2 had just concluded in 1965. It changed catholic doctrine pretty radically. These are the areas of doctrine they changed: 1) The authority of scripture compared to the authority of tradition 2) Inerrancy of scripture, ( taking the protestant view ) 3) NO LONGER CALLING FOR A RETURN TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THE TRUE CHURCH. 4) The Pope is no longer totally infallible 5) Mary was no longer exaulted above the church, but rather a fellow member of the church 6) Changes in all 7 of the sacraments Steve perhaps it is I who should be asking you not to say false things about the Catholic church. . . Lol ! :rolleyes: Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 12:06 PM Dear Steve; This will be my parting comment on this, ( unless I change my mind, lol) Let me say in love and all sincerity ; If you put as much energy into proclaiming Christ as you do the Catholic church; you'd be one heck of a Christian!!! Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 12:23 PM Ok I changed my mind; one more parting comment :winksmile: STEVE; NOW I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU : What organized church hung and burnt William Tyndale for publishing the New Testament in english, and confiscated these, burning them and the people who owned them alive chained to a stake? I to so look forward to your answer. :rolleyes: Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 01:12 PM Chuck, perhaps we should end this because you continue to spew inaccuracies after falsehoods. You again are confused with Doctrine and Practices and Disciplines. The Church became "Official" when Christ Created Her and Named Peter as His First VICAR. I am sorry for whatever happened to you that has caused so much hatred for The Catholic Church. I don't bring up why followers of Tyndale's brunt people on a stake. I have been a Catholic much longer than you can imagine. I have had to defend my Faith from many unprovoked attacks such as yours. And I will continue to do so. Chuck, your arguments are weak and much rehashed. What say I give you one last slap and we'll part ways? Peace Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 01:26 PM "What organized church hung and burnt William Tyndale for publishing the New Testament in english, and confiscated these, burning them and the people who owned them alive chained to a stake?" That would be King Henry the Eighth...self-proclaimed leader of The Angelican Church of England. The Roman Catholic Church burnt John Hus at the stake using Wycliff's own translation of Scripture. Was that right? Of course not! Thousands of good Christians were clamoring to be able to read Scripture in their own language. The Church should have relented and made it available to them. Chuck, please don't tell me that you knew this is was just trying to trick me because you have repeatedly shown that you do not know what you are speaking about. I believe that you meant for me to refute that The Catholic Church did any of that...while in reality both Protestant and Catholics are guilty of such sins. Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 02:44 PM Thank you for your post Steve.I just read it and wish to say that threw faith it was inspired. With a closing statement the last verse in Revalations. is you add to or take away anything from this book all these curses will fall upon you. Did I get that right? Steve I always enjoy your post and catholics are ok with me.Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 03:05 PM Steve; Lol you so funny! That's like saying the Jews didn't kill Jesus it was the Romans! The Roman Catholic church did not have the power to execute people ( just like the Jews didn't have the legal authority to kill Jesus) so they turned people (like William Tyndale ) over to secular authorities (King Henry the 8th) who could legally execute them. I am soooooo weary of your word games which you must engage in to hold on desperately to your mother; the Roman Catholic church. You have to deal deceitfully with words, history and scripture to avoid the truth. FOR EXAMPLE : Matthew 23:9 says" And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." It is ' church tradition' for priests to be called 'father' OK Steve use some more word games to try to wiggle out of yet another. If you cannot explain this away then the Catholic church and yourself ARE IN CONFLICT WITH SCRIPTURE and Mark 7:8-9 applies directly to YOU because" You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men." And he [Jesus] said to them: " You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!" I am curious to see you try to explain your way out once again! Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 03:29 PM Sorry Steve I was premature on the send button. Anyone who reads back through theses post will see how you are continually using words like weak argument, rehashed, misinformed and my personal favorite; " I don't know what happened to you to hate the catholic church so much" First) I don't hate the catholic church Secondly) Jesus happened to me Thridly) The information provided by me is accurate Please to not skip over or be vauge with the question about you following the traditions of men rather than the words of Jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 04:13 PM Chuck, give it up! With each false and silly accusations you dig a deeper and deeper hole. King Henry wanted to divorce his wife and marry her sister. The Pope (from Italian Papa...Father) said no...he could not...so Henry divorced himself of The Catholic Church and started The Angelican Church of England. Chuck, would you deny a young child from calling their dad Father? Was Jesus forbidding this type of usage? Common sense says no, for to do so would negate the address "Father" of its meaning when applied to God, for there would no longer be any earthly counterpart for the analogy of divine Fatherhood. The concept of God�s role as Father would be meaningless if we obliterated the concept of earthly fatherhood. Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: (Gen. 45:8) "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt". Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: (Job 29:16) "I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know". And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: (Is. 22:20�21). "In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah". This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, (2 Kings. 2:12) "My father, my father!" to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind. Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21). In Acts 7:2, Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," and in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac are other examples of the use of the term. Jesus criticized Jewish leaders who love "the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called �rabbi� by men" (Matt. 23:6�7). His admonition here is a response to the Pharisees� proud hearts and their grasping after marks of status and prestige. He was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers. Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees! (cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15). We are all subject to "the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" (1 John 2:16). Since Jesus is demonstrably using hyperbole when he says not to call anyone our father�else we would not be able to refer to our earthly fathers as such�we must read his words carefully and with sensitivity to the presence of hyperbole if we wish to understand what he is saying. Jesus is not forbidding us to call men "fathers" who actually are such� either LITERALLY or SPIRITUALLY. I could go into many more reasons but simply the reason Catholic call their Priests Father is because he is their SPIRITUAL FATHER! A Priest is not married for several reasons and one of them is so that they can be the Spiritual Father of his parishioners. Also Christ said: "But you are not to be called �rabbi,� for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called �masters,� for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8�10). The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19�20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ�s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers." Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ�s words. Chuck I can go on and on with examples. Lets just end it here. You hate The Catholic Church (at least it seems that way)...I am sorry for whatever reason has caused that, but...enough. Post Reply
View Profile History	How did The New Testament come to be put together? Posted : 28 Oct, 2010 04:17 PM Dennis, I missed your special slant on things! Yes...Sacred Scripture was Inspired. There were so many other books and letters circulating that The Church needed to distinguish between false and true writings. Blessings to you and your "little ones"! Post Reply

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