This post is not to bring contention or any debate, but to prove a simple point.
How those that say Reformation Theology is the Gospel, and when you illustrate and define the lies by scripture, how they will always disregard what scripture teaches contrary to what they want to believe.
Starting with the T of Tulip: The general theme of the scheme rests in the emphasis on God's absolute sovereignty and power in the act of salvation. The Calvinist believes that salvation is wholly an act of God, initiated and worked out and completed by God. How this is achieved can be summarized in the five points, which is traditionally recalled through the acronymn T.U.L.I.P.
*The "T" in TULIP*
Total depravity. This is the doctrine that affirms the whole corruption of man's nature. According to the Calvinist, every aspect of the being of man is affected through the rebellion of the Fall, so that no one is capable of pleasing God through the efforts of his own natural disposition. According to the doctrine of total depravity, the human person not only cannot please God, but apart from God's effectual grace, no man or woman even has the desire to please Him. Since all sinned in Adam, the representative of all, all are born in sin, and none are innocent, not even infants. All carry the burden of Adam's guilt, since all are in Adam and he is the perfect representative. Since all who come after Adam inherit his guilt, so that everyone is totally depraved, having no natural ability or desire to know or please God, everyone who comes after Adam is also deserving of the hot wrath and punishment of a holy and righteous God.
The idea of total depravity, according to the Calvinist, is not that we all do all the evil we are capable of, but rather, that all parts of our beings are corrupted by sin, and therefore there is nothing in us which can naturally commend us to God.
The Calvinist therefore denies the common doctrine that men naturally hunger
to know God, or that men and women naturally desire Hi
Does this statement agree with what we see in scripture,
No emphatically no!!
Hebrews teaches us that without faith it is impossible to please God, and we know that faith cometh by hearing the word of God.
You can find endless examples of men and women in the Old Testament that pleased God and we are told by scripture that it was accounted as rightousness to those that believed the word of God.
Be mindful the Holy Spirit was not available to the saints of old, their responses was in light of the word of God, and choosing of their own will to obey it.
Look at this clear example against the lie of total depravity: Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
You only need one example to prove the lie of total depravity, but if you need more you can refer to the hall of fame in the book of Hebrews.
Remember this post is not about attacking those that say they are Calvinist, but exposing the lies and also for others to see how they will regard the truth, scripture
PJ, you do not seem to understand the concept of God's sovereignty very well. You are arguing that God's irresistible grace means that man is a robot; not so. Does God not know what our actions will be in advance? Of course He does. Are we responsible for responding to God in faith? Of course we are. One does not preclude the other.
Put another way, if man had no will at all, then 80% of the New Testament would not need to be written. There would be no need to say things like "to those who are standing strong, be sure you don't fall". They would never fall because they had no will to fall.
If you're not going to take the time to understand what you attack, then there's no real point in it. Anyone can copy and paste.
No I am not arguing anything, this post is about exposing the lie of reformation theology, and that includes irrestible Grace.
In reference to your copy and paste statement, what is copied and pasted is Calvinist statement's, would exposes the lie is the word of God.
Nothing I said put's man in a robot state, but that is what Calvinism does.
When thing is clear Reformation theology, is not in agreement with the word of God.
No in summary is your response to the post or an attack?
Acts 17:10 � And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
If anyone would do as theses Bereans did they would readily see the lies of Reformation theology
When Luther read the word and found it said, " The Just Shall be Saved be faith.
Wow!!!!!!
How powerfull is that????!!!!!
This is truth not a Lie.
The Reformation also was a time when bibles were mass produced for everybody to read!!!!
How can that be a lie PJ?????? :applause:
Where are the lies????:yay:
It brought back Christ to where he belonged in our hearts.:bow:
It reintroduced grace/ salvation to everybody and stopped the mass selling of icons and bribes to get your loved ones into heaven. What about this is a lie?
Here is a trend I find interesting from my own experiences. Charismatics and prosperity gospel believers (which is not a gospel) refuse to look at church history, in fact they hate it. It is very obvious PJ hates church history and anyone who studies it, because it exposes him for what he really is, a false teacher.
I was reading an article today by John MacArthur (another great preacher, who PJ hates) about false teachers and he described PJ to a tee! It is not your false teaching PJ but your actions that has everyone constantly scratching their heads about you. We all deal with false theology on this forum and just let it go, so your false theology has never been the issue, it's your actions. Though I wish you would answer the question you are asked because I find your theology fascinating, wrong but fascinating. I have never heard some of the outlandish things you come up with and would love to know more about them but you can't/don't answer questions. I agree with this statement being thickheaded and talking all the time is a bad combination. Why do you never learn? How do you expect ANYONE to ever take you serious, except your girlfriend, when you show no respect especially to those who "are" nice to you?
BTW: Only what you think PJ is the lie. Dennis was so spot on about the reformation, it got Bibles printed in the language of the people, and if that was the only thing that they did, I praise God that I have a few Bibles I can read and study in my home thanks to the reformers. And justification by faith alone, got to say that is pretty important also. There is the down side with printing Bibles in the tongue of the people and this was the argument against doing it. That there would a lot of scripture twisting going on and we would get a bunch of false religions, and even though that has proven true it was still worth it!!! You see, you to should be thankful for the what the reformers did, you wouldn't be the false teacher you are today without them.
