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Acts 2:38 or Matthew 28:19....
Posted : 17 Sep, 2010 09:36 AM

I absolutely believe that a person must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.



Do you?

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Posted : 17 Sep, 2010 08:08 PM

Thunder:

Might i add,the Greek word for batizing is the word Baptizo.

This is the meaning of the word:



1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)



2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe



3) to overwhelm



"Note on Baptism in Ac. Baptism in water (such as John's) is distinguished from baptism with the Holy Spirit (i. 5, etc.). Those who receive the latter, however, may also be baptized in water (cf. xi. 16 with x. 47); and there is one example of people who had previously received John's baptism receiving Christian baptism as a preliminary to receiving the Spirit (xix. 3 ff.). John's was a baptism of repentance (xiii. 24; xix. 4), as was also Christian baptism (ii. 38), but as John's pointed forward to Jesus (xix. 4), it became obsolete when He came. Christian baptism followed faith in the Lord Jesus (xvi. 31 ff.); it was associated with His name (ii. 38; viii. 16, etc.), which was invoked by the person baptized (xxii. 16); it signified the remission (ii. 38) or washing away of sins (xxii. 16); sometimes it preceded (ii. 38; viii. 15 ff.; xix. 5), sometimes followed (x. 47 f.) the receiving of the Spirit." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 98, n. 1.)

This word should not be confused with bapt� (911). The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapt�) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptiz�) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.



This is the tense of this word:



Tense: Present

Voice: Active

Mood: Participle



* The Present Active Participle verb form occurs 2,549 times in the New Testament.





Baptism is to be an ongoing continuous act,not just a one time event..



As you stated we are to Baptizo/immerse people into the name(s) of God as revealed within the Old Covenant..



I had written about this in an earlier posting entitled Matthew 28:18-20





Shalom and Chesed:

St.George

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Posted : 17 Sep, 2010 08:24 PM

Thanks George. I wasn't sure how to spell it because I was writing it phonetically anyway. I appreciate your addition to this. I first became curious about the Name when I was reading Pro 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe. This is one of my favorite scriptures because it made me realize that the Nam is an identity not an identification. It is a concrete thing and not an abstraction. I can literally run into the identity of God, His nature and character, and I will be safe.



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Posted : 18 Sep, 2010 12:00 AM

If a person is baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, aren't these all the same name and personhood as Jesus?... It would go to reason since Jesus is God the Father, Jesus is God the Son, Jesus is God the Holy Ghost... the God head three in one, the same person...

Doesn't matter if a person gets Baptized in the name of Jesus, Baptized in the name of the Lord, baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, just get baptized!:glow::applause:...

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Posted : 18 Sep, 2010 12:11 AM

I think what this thread is in reference to, is what NAME a person should be used when a person gets baptized. This is not about if a person should be baptized, but what NAME should be used when being baptized.

There are some denominations especially, the Pentacostal brotherns and sisterns believe and think that unless you are baptized in the NAME of Jesus Christ as recorded in Acts 2:28, then you have not be properly baptized.

I believe this is the subject matter, If I'm wrong then I stand to be corrected, but I've got a good idea this is what he is speaking about.

As in, I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ... instead of I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Which many don't understadn that its all the same name.

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Posted : 18 Sep, 2010 12:12 AM

Hadn't read your post Thunder, but you're right...

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Posted : 18 Sep, 2010 12:21 AM

Geeeezzz, i wish this board was up to date.

Well, Thunder, I agree with most of what you say as in the part about Pentacostal.

But, The Father, Son , and Holy Ghost this is the trinity... three in one the God-head.. I John chapter 5, teaches us that there are three witnesses in heaven The Father, the Word (SON), and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. There are three witnesses on earth, The Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three are one.

Trinity only means three in one... just as we all are three in one.

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Posted : 20 Sep, 2010 12:15 PM

Yup !!!...Also just wana add here...KJV John 3: 1-6

1~There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:



2~The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.



*** 3~Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.



4~Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?



*** 5~Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



6~That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



Notice 3 & 5...if its said twice by Jesus* Ima pay attention to it...xo

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