Listen to today's typical gospel presentation. You will hear sinners entreated with such phrases as "accept Jesus as personal savior"; "ask Jesus into your heart"; "invite Christ into your life"; or "make a decision for Christ" You may be accustomed to hearing those phrases that it will surprise you to learn that none of them is based on biblical terminology. They are the products of a diluted, watered down gospel. It is not the Gospel according to Jesus.
The Gospel Jesus proclaimed was a call to discipleship, a call to follow Him in submissive obedience, not just a plea to make a decision or pray a prayer.
Must a person make Christ Lord as a condition for salvation?
Scriptures never speak of anyone "making" Christ Lord except God Himself, who has made Him both Lord and Christ" Acts 2:36. He "IS" Lord over all, Rom 14:9; Phil 2:11 and the bible mandate is not to "make" Christ Lord but rather bow to His lordship. Those that reject His lordship or give mere lip service to His sovereignty are not saved, 1 Cor 12:3; Luke 6:46-49.
All who believe the Word of God will agree that Jesus is LORD. He is ever and always LORD, whether or not anyone acknowledges His lordship or surrenders to His authority.
I recently read through the OT and really noticed this time around it was always God doing the accepting of man's repentance, man's sacrifice, etc. God never asked or waited for any man to accept Him. So why do people say "accepting Jesus" is how we are saved? My bible says, repent, trust and believe.
I agree, and I see that happening today! I can really see it here, people make an idol of what they want their god or religion to be like, usually a bigger, nicer, version of themselves, and then they name that idol Jesus, and then call themselves Christians. That is why we should be very careful how we present the gospel "when" we witness.
Telling people to "ask Jesus in your heat" or "accept Jesus" does not save anyone and that is not taught in the bible. And when you use unbiblical terms when telling people about Christ you couldl create a bitter backslider that never slide forward in the first place making, ...the latter end worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2 Peter 2:19-21
You need to go back and study Romans 10 the sinners prayer is not in there unless you smash in.
Hummmm....this passage is not Titled " The Sinners Prayer "...but it is a clear and accurate dirrection and instruction as to how and what to do...
Romans 10:9 (KJV)9~ That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I will stick with the Inspired and Word of GOD before accepting another Mans Gosspel any day...xo
friends, doesn't the sinners prayer admit these things.
Jesus died for my sins?
if I accept him as my Lord I will be saved?
I need jesus in my heart?
Oh, Mr.Row the orginal bible was in hebrew and greek.when we translate it into English words were changed tofit our times.Words change meaning. So, the sinners prayer is the basic confession to introduce a baby christian to God.
You can not feed a baby steak,they choke and die.You need to feed them milk.
tithing?going to church?obedience to ordinances,rules,
commandments.
What does the Word of YHWH say:
Answer:
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Please remember:
Salvation is either the result of what I do:
Repent,confess,say sinners prayer,good works,and a host of other things;All of which is a salvation by works...
Or is salvation the complete work of Yeshua:
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Either we are trusting Yeshua/Jesus alone to save us,or we are trusting someone or something else..
Psa 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
Dennis Asked ~ friends, doesn't the sinners prayer admit these things.Jesus died for my sins? if I accept him as my Lord I will be saved? I need jesus in my heart?
Jude replies ~ Yes Dennis�when a Sinner confesses he/she is admitting these things. I believe MrRow stating ~ � You need to go back and study Romans 10 the sinners prayer is not in there unless you smash in�. � Is referring to All the other stuff / words added in the Alter Calls at Church�s. Example�Jesus*�I ask you to enter my heart, forgive me of my sins�etc..etc�If I got MrRow wrong here�I wait in standing of correction on this�
Trucker Asked ~ Question: Who or What is the only why to the Father? Repentance? confession? saying sinners prayers? good works? tithing? going to church? obedience to ordinances ,rules, commandments. What does the Word of YHWH say:
Jude replies ~ You are Asking and Quoting other than what is being discussed here with way to much Info here Saint George especially in your Answer and getting off track�Lets keep it Simple for Everyone what Jesus* says�KJV in John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me�xo
I am sure most here would agree what the gospel is, with a few variation, it is how we present it to people who don't know anything about the Bible or Christianity. It can be very confusing with all the hog wash that is being circulated.
I grew up in a church that would have alter calls, "say this prayer after me... "the sinners prayer", and you are good to go! Then at age 30 I picked my bible up and read it through and realized the sinners prayer wasn't in there. And Jesus was not knocking on my hearts door, He is knocking on the door of the church saying, "Hey in there, you people forgot about ME!!!" (I am no doctor, but I don't think our hearts have a door to get in & out. I could wrong.) How the gospel was presented to me had a lot to do with how I believed and ultimately lived out my life. I was never shown the sinfulness of sin, or told to count the cost, to carry my cross daily, what biblical repentance is, or what does it mean to believe.
We have so many confusing, non biblical terms floating around, we need to trash them. Here is one I laugh at. "God never sends anyone to hell." Really? What verse or chapter in the bible teaches that? I ask how do the wicked get put there? They don't volunteer and jump in. If a judge sends someone to prison and says, "Bailiff take this man to jail." Who sent the man to jail, the judge or the bailiff? No one knows how God will cast sinners into outer darkness, but it will be by His orders and ultimately it is the hand of God who puts a sinner in hell.
Go read the OT or look up the word "accept" and see if ever it was man accepting God. I'll give ya a hint, it is God accepting us for salvation, not the other way around.
How did I get saved? I was raised in church. My parents went to church everytimes the doors were opened. My Grandfather was a preacher, teacher, Theologian, author and more. My mom was and is a very sincere Christian. Dad left when I was 11 after he had been a Deacon, Elder, Sunday School Sup. and Associate Pastor. I was rebellious as a young man and even the military couldn't calm me down. I was in and out of church for most of my adult life up to March of 1995. I knew nearly everything I needed to know about the Bible and Christianity. I knew Christianity didn't work any more than Hinduism or Motorcycle Zen. It was simoly a foolish waqy people chose to live because they think having a religion somehow makes them more right than those of us without one.
Then one night I was in a church in Tennessee. I stood alone in the back while the rest of the congregation was surrounding the pulpit trying to teach people how to speak in tongues. There was an amazing kind of presence all around me that felt a little like a cool cloud that very softly touched me and I became overcome with a horrible weight on my back. Finally I looked up and said something like, "If you want me you have to take me right now otherwise when I leave tonight I will not be back." Doesn't sound like a sinners prayer does it? Well it was. As I was saying this I raised my right hand as high as I could and I felt Him take hold of my arm in a way that I could grab hold of His. There was a sudden sensation like electricity that went from my arm to my chest and I fell to the floor. I lay on the floor for some time listening to Him speak to me and give me all kinds of things to say and do. In about 20 minutes some people found me and helped me get up. I went home and only told my girlfriend about what had happened.
When I drove to town the next morening I noticed that everything looked brighter and more colorful. I had a very huge feeling in my chest almost as if my shirts shouldn't be fitting and when I got to town and was trying to talk to people it was difficult to remember English. I spoke in a language that sounds very Native American. I couldn't wait to get home. The very next day all of the phone calls to my business stopped. I called my customers and they all changed to a different business on the same day within just a two hour period. I spent the next ten months in intense prayer and Bible study and worked on my farm.
By the way. My last name is a name I chose and legally changed it to in March of 2000. It is a Hebrew name that means "The Thunder of God". It's who I really am.
I have a question more relavant to the thread. Have you ever thought about how the Apostles spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ without a New Testament. I challenge everyone of you who depends on your NT for the Gospel to go find it in the OT. If Paul could change the world without the NT why can't you?
Find these clues to the Gospel:
Before the foundation of the world the Father, Son and Holy Spirit had a meeting to decide who they would send to save us. Jesus volunteered. It's in the OT.
You'll find that the Messiah did not come to save us from our sins but rather to redeem us back to His Father.
You'll find the more than three hundred prophesies about Jesus that only He ever fulfilled.
Go ahead, find the Gospel in the OT and you'll never have to depend on Paul to defend your beliefs again.
Does the OT trump the NT or are they both equal in value, being the written words of the true and living God?
Before the foundation of the world the Father, Son and Holy Spirit had a meeting to decide who they would send to save us. Jesus volunteered. It's in the OT.
I have heard this one other time, I thought it was just the preach making an alogory. I do not recall reading anything like this. Where is this found?
