Author	Thread: What about once saved always saved?
firstfruit2 View Profile History	What about once saved always saved? Posted : 4 Sep, 2010 06:54 AM WHAT ABOUT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED? Paul said, �If God is for us, who is going to be against us? He who did not withhold his own Son, but gave him up for all of us, will he not with him also give us everything else? Who will bring any charge against God�s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? It is Christ Jesus who died, yes, who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us. Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will hardship, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? . . . No, in ALL these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord� (Rom.8:31-39, NRSV). Wow! Quite a wonderful promise, isn�t it? But read it carefully. For God�s truly converted �elect,� true believers, indeed there is no power in heaven and earth that has the ability or power to tear us away from God, and Christ, and salvation. Even Satan the devil has NO POWER to force you to lose your salvation! But notice very carefully. Don�t misread Paul�s words. Don�t fall into the trap that MANY have fallen into. Carefully reading Paul�s words, we must take note of ONE THING he left out of the picture � one item he neglected to mention in this overall scenario. There is one thing that CAN cause you to lose out on your salvation! What is that one thing that Paul left out? It is simply you yourself! �YOU!� That�s right! YOU! YOU are the missing equation � the bugaboo � the missing ingredient. In other words, you yourself can CHOOSE to depart from God and Christ, and to go �astray,� to go after �false gods,� to commit idolatry (which means to place anything else ahead of God in priority or value in your own mind), to DISOBEY God, to reject the Word of God, and Christ Himself! There is, in other words, NO �eternal guarantee� that you will automatically be �saved,� once you profess belief in Christ as your Saviour! Not at all! Notice what the Scriptures themselves have to testify on this subject � and remember � �the Scripture cannot be annulled� (John 10:35, NRSV). Remember, �All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work� (II Tim.3:16-17). 49 So � what do the SCRIPTURES have to say on this subject? Let�s ignore, for a moment, the opinions of mere men, and look to GOD for the answers to these eternal issues of life and death, perdition and salvation! What the Word of God Says Don�t let anybody deceive you! Jesus Christ Himself prophesied, �BEWARE that no one leads you astray� (Matt.24:4). He added, �And MANY false prophets will arise and lead MANY astray� (verse 11). He went on, warning His true followers, especially those at the END of this present age, �And because of the increase in lawlessness, the (Christian) love of many will grow cold. But the one who ENDURES TO THE END WILL BE SAVED� (Matt.24:12-13). Did you catch that? The Messiah Himself said that because of worldwide lawlessness, and iniquity, that many �Christians� will �grow cold� and lose their love for Christ and for each other! He said � and remember, HE is the Messiah � He is the �way, the TRUTH, and the life� (John 14:6) � He said, �the one who ENDURES TO THE END will be saved�! If you really want to be saved, there is something you MUST DO. You must �endure to the END�! Does that sound like it is all settled already � that you are �guaranteed salvation,� and possess �eternal security,� at this very moment � no matter what you do or what course of action you take, in the future days ahead? Post Reply
View Profile History	What about once saved always saved? Posted : 5 Sep, 2010 11:39 AM Silver fire accord ing to this post and scripture you proved the author's point Post Reply
Hamilton727 View Profile History	What about once saved always saved? Posted : 5 Sep, 2010 07:21 PM Is Gods love conditional? no so how could his salvation that he gives to all who believe be conditional his salvation isn't conditional Post Reply
sistah View Profile History	What about once saved always saved? Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 11:45 AM I am a memberof the Nazarene faith and have heard discussions many times between the two groups and have come to this conclusion, God is not a God of chaos and argument. It is a manmade argument designed to separate Christians and prevent God's work and Word from going forward. Remember the argument that broke out when Paul was arrested because he was before Sadducees and Pharisees? Imagine the argument that broke out because Paul said I stand here accused because I believe in the resurrection of the dead!:laugh: I feel that each person must be careful how we live making sure we reflect the life of Jesus in our lives, confess and repent it we sin and trust that if we made the good confession that we are safe in His arms and no one can separate us. Those who would be n danger ing "loosing" their salvation would be those live as if there is no God. Post Reply

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