Author	Thread: This is starting to bug me!
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 28 Aug, 2010 12:55 PM Ok, so how many people think that God makes us with our inherited problems from birth? Does He make us with asthma/AIDs/diabetes/allergies/cerebral palsy/barrenness/birth defects/etc? Or are they a natural result of living in a sinful world? :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 05:27 AM Wow, wanna see some unbelief read theses responses, nothing but death, Satan is rolling around . you could try ReadDING THE BIBLE AND BELIEVING IT. Satan loves that God is sovereign over all things LIE!! Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 08:45 AM No. Disease is a side affect of sin. God didn't make sin- man chose it. But scripture does say that God has knit us together in our mother's wombs and that we're fearfully and wonderfully made. (Psalm 139) For me, and you may well disagree (wink) the fearfully and wonderfully made part has little to nothing to do with disease. A child who has asthma is still fearfully and wonderfully made. A child with downs syndrome, spina bifida, cerebral palsy, or any other disease, or adults that develop is, are still wonderfully and fearfully made. They are because that God who knit them together is wonderul and awesome. Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 01:25 PM On the ministry of jesus if I remember right he said that some were made bling so he could heal them. Also,since we all have sin are health is effected.it is what we do with it.We could pray to be delievered.:prayingm: Dennis Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 01:27 PM I guess I just don't think God is forcefully involved in our "formation". I don't think He literally "knits" us in the womb. We all have genetic framework that governs our formation, which was put in place and designed by God, but it has been degraded in a sinful world...which is why we have the genetic defects/diseases. I don't think God literally steps in and decides what color our eyes will be, even though He may have known what they would be from the beginning of time. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 08:46 PM This reminds me of the ideas that there is no such think as darkness, only the absence of light. There is no such thing as cold only the absence of heat. Then do the following ideas follow this line of thinking? There is no such thing as evil only the absence of good. There is no such thing as sin only the absence of holiness. If God did not create light there would be no darkness. If He were not holy there would be no sin. So then we are to believe that something that God did not create exists because of something He did create. Yet the Bible says that He created ALL things and by His will they were created. (Rev 4:11) Thunder Post Reply
daniel12345 View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 11:42 PM The line of thinking is: 1. darkness is the absence of light, 2. sin is the absence of God's glory(Romans 3:23). So there is sin, sin is the absence of God's righteousness. Sin is the result of man not doing God's instruction (Romans 8:7) 3. Sin is something to be created or is a creation, other verses in the Bible, said God hates sins sin, and in the account of creation, sin enter the world through Adam, not through creation. But God allowed sin to stay temporary. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 31 Aug, 2010 08:21 AM I really doubt that that means God created sin. Sin did not exist before Satan. Satan is the "father" of sin. Sin is God's enemy...why would He create it? Lets say...God created a planet to have gravity to keep it's inhabitants from floating off into space. Gravity is good right? We need gravity. Did God create gravity to kill us? I don't think so. As long as we're careful to follow the rules of gravity, then we can avoid pain/death. It might be a bad comparison if you look deeper...but I think the same concept applies to God's will. There's many more examples of good things that have dangerous effects if you use them inappropriately. Water is good, we need it to live...but it's possible to drown in it if we don't obey the rules of nature. If we follow the rules of God's will, then we will be fine. God has these rules to protect us from death/pain/suffering. God wants to get rid of death. Death goes against Himself. He is life. I would say that the only thing that God did to "cause" sin was to create beings with a free will. He didn't want a robot's love, so He gave us the option to disobey Him. After this life is over and sin is gone, the universe will have an example of the wisdom of God's rules, and we won't want to disobey ever again. There will be an example of the results of following God's will and living in perfect love/bliss forever, contrasted against the example of sin and the suffering and death that it brings. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 1 Sep, 2010 09:33 PM Please don't confuse sin with sinning. They are two different things. My question then is this: If "sin entered the world" where did it come from? This is not a reference to an act of committing a sin but is a reference to a personal pronoun. This would have to be an entity of some kind not an action by a person. The action would be "a sin'" or an "act of sinning" but not sin. Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 2 Sep, 2010 03:18 PM this is what i think: we inherited the curse by Adam's sin. Our inheritance from Christ is the Holy Spirit, but at this (time) we still live in a curse world. Post Reply
View Profile History	This is starting to bug me! Posted : 3 Sep, 2010 10:25 AM Hi, I'm new here and hope you don't mind if I chime in to the discussion. Didn't the Father send Christ, in His innocence...complete absence of sin, .into this world, knowing that He was going to have to suffer and die for our salvation? Does God not make each one of us, knowing that we are going to have inherited problems from birth, the most of which are spiritual? As C. S. Lewis pointed out, "You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." We are all, from conception, diseased spiritually due to sin. Sickness and disease of the physical body is a manifestation of this sin. God allows it and uses it (if we let Him) to grow us...perfect our soul and/or the souls of those around us. Does God like to see His children suffer.?..no. Can and will He heal?...yes. But, the physical ALWAYS takes a back seat to the spiritual and it is all for His purpose and plan. His vision is one of eternity. And, with Faith, we have the knowledge that "all things work together for the good of those that love the Lord and are called according to His purpose." We are only here by His grace and for His glory. Post Reply

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