Author	Thread: The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ?
Admin	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 07:15 AM Let's dig deeper; If the Cross of Christ is only about the Forgiveness of Sin then how could Jesus forgive people their sins BEFORE He went to the cross? Post Reply
GlendoraMike View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 03:41 PM LUKE 5:17-26 IS NOT A PARABLE. Jesus healed a man that was lowered through a roof. He said to the man, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you." In verse 24a Jesus says, "But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has the authority on earth to forgive sins,".....:applause::yay::rocknroll::bouncy::dancingp::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 06:10 PM @GlendoraMike You are right! But Luke 15:17-26 is.....LOL! The scripture makes more sense now! :ROFL:...sorry So would you then say that there was forgiveness of sin before Jesus actually hung on the cross? To answer yes opens pandoras box for some whose understanding goes no further than the cross, wouldn't you say? Post Reply
GlendoraMike View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 06:20 PM The laws that Moses brought to the people told them what to do to receive forgiveness for sins. It required blood be spilled in scarifice. Jesus is The Lamb that was slain. He brings the new covenent. The old was not followed. Grace is a big part of the new covenent. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 07:35 PM 2sparrows, after reading all the comments on this thread, I beginning to wonder if YOU even know what you're talkin 'bout:ROFL:... if you have a more spirutal answer, all I know is that it BETTER be with so much spiritual dept to it, that everyone who has posted on this thread will be amazed and confound. Or else, we're throwing you in the CDFF mud pile:ROFL:. So give us your DEEP answer, and it better be more than good, that it will cause us all to go back and re-study the word. Cuzzz, so far you ain't saying nothing much of nothing on this topic you've posted... git a move on you, and give us what you find as being the correct answer to your DEEP post:rocknroll:....wake me up when you answer:zzzz::dancingp: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 10:01 PM Hello everyone: Yeshua forgave sin(s) before the cross for He is God the Son, and this Scriptures will show this. The Pharisees were right,that only God,The God of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob could for give sin(s). Luk 5:18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him. Luk 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus. Luk 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luk 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? Luk 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? Luk 5:23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? Luk 5:24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. Luk 5:25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. Luk 5:26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day. Yeshua also Glorified the Father,He says that He also finished the work which He was given to do,this also before the Cross. John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. These are a few of the Covenants Jehovah had made with Individuals and with the Nation of Israel. Covenants of God with Man: 1.Adamic Covenant:Genesis-2:16-17; 3:15(Promise of the Redeemer) 2.Noahic Covenant:Genesis 9:1-17(God Promised not to destroy the earth again with a Flood) 3.Abrahamic Covenant:Genesis 15:18(Promise of land) Genesis 17:11(Promise of being Father of many nations) 4.Mosaic Covenant:Exodus 24:12 (The Tablets of Commandments) 5.Phinehas:Numbers 25:11-13 (Covenant of peace) 6.Davidic Covenant:Psalm 89:3,28,34 (Established Kingdom Forever through his Seed) 7.Levidic Covenant:Malachi 2:4-10 (Priesthood) The Cross is the symbol of the New and Everlasting Covenant, Jehovah has with man. This covenant,is fulfilled and kept by Yeshua. This is the Covenant of Gods Grace and Mercy upon man. The Cross shows the sinfulness of man,and the wrath,and judgement of God which man is subject to without Yeshua. With all of this said, The Lord does not need sacrifices in orde to forgive us of our sins, David understood this in Psalm 51. The Lord is Omniscient,Omnipresent,and Omnipotent;He knew man was going to sin. From before the foundaton of the world,the Will of God has been the Cross; It has been the Lords will to forgive man. There was,and has been only one way of forgiveness,Yeshua. Every sacrifice,type and shadow of things to come pointed to Yehsua, Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: Since the Father cannot lie Yeshua came and fulfilled everything the Father had said His Messiah,would be,and would do.Heb 10:7 then I said, Lo, I come, (in a volume of the book it hath been written concerning me,) to do, O God, Thy will;' Man has nothing to do with his being forgiven of his sin(s), He also has nothing to do with his being saved from the wrath and judgement of God upon mans sin(s). Yeshua saves-End of story,He also gives man faith to trust Yeshua to save him from the wrath and judgement of God. Forgiveness has been rendered,The Lords paschel Lamb has been slain. The sacrifice has been accepted as the Lord Yeshua sits at the right hand of The Father. Man goes to the Lord,not to be forgiven,rather to recieve forgiveness. Since Yeshua paid the price for my redemption,I recieve what He gives to me freely. I believe in my heart Yeshua is Lord and Saviuor,this then is my proclomation. I do not confess,unto Salvation; I confess because, I believe I have already been saved. In the mind of God all of this is completed already. I and everyone else has to live through what is written,trusting Yeshua as Lord and Saviour. I hope everyone stays cool. Agape' and Charis: Shalom and Chesed: George Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 8 Jul, 2010 02:17 PM @ETcallhome you really made me laugh! Have you been praying for patience? :ROFL: I doubt my answer is all that DEEP; as many have touched on the answer already. I was just wanting the discussion to get past the "Christianese Language" and the memorized answers taught in Sunday school classes and formulas for salvation. I am just checking in right now, and don't have enough time right now to answer adequately, but am thinking along the lines of Abraham, Enoch, Elijah,and David. Also Genesis 15:6 and Revelation 13:8 Post Reply
gracegrace View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 8 Jul, 2010 04:30 PM I heard Charles Stanley explain once that before the Cross it was like they were forgiven on "Credit" then after the Cross all that "Credit" debt was cleared. He was slain from the foundation of the world... Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 8 Jul, 2010 05:00 PM 2Sparrow:ROFL:... Grace, I love Charles Stanley, he is so wonderful, and right on! I've been listening to his on radio since 1982, and I was so glad when he finally came on TV. I wish Chuck Swindall would come on TV...truly gifted men of God!:applause: Post Reply
Gary_Lane View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 09:38 AM There is a simple answer. Those who lived before the cross from the garden to the cross, believed God on what information God gave as to what would happen. Salvation has never been based on knowledge but on simply believing whatever information God gives. Even if it is just the heavens declaring His glory. Salvation is about our heart condition towards the Lord not what we know. God did slowly reveal more about himself in the old testament. Those who lived during the time Christ's offered Israel their Messiah, mostly had to look back upon that event in light of the Old Testament and the fulfilled prophesies and the physical events if they had a believing heart. Unfortunately not many did. So Christ has temperately withdrawn His offer to Israel. The tearing out of the national olive branch and grafting in the wild one is part of the explanation. Today we look back believing on the events of the cross and Paul's writings to realize now how both Jew and Gentile are a new creation in Christ, and that again is based on believing God's word and if we don't have his word we have his creation proclaiming who He is. That alone is enough to give a person salvation if they worship the God that created it. Romans 1. Gary_Lane Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 09:52 AM Great points Gary!:applause::glow::yay: Post Reply

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