Adam, I just read again the pasages you posted, they speak about eternal separation from God, yet you say this is not Biblical?....I'm confused?:excited::ribbit:
Let's see how this ((( rewrite ))) of the Bible works....
Ummm...Its not workin here...Ima NOT sorry ta say...that some persons do not believe an accept what is called by some Christins as " the Fire an Brimstone " Stuff...non the less the Bible an God's word is very clear bout it...Hell an Lake of Fire for " Eternaty " is purty much Penalty of SIN an Eternal Seperation all in one...xo
As long as there are adventists there will always be conflict about the Hell of the BIBLE. They will always manipulate and twist the plain sense of Scripture, just like the Jehovah's Witnesses. BUT at least Hell is not as fundamentally essential as the Deity of Christ, which is denied by the JW's.
The wages of sin is death. Death is separation (the body without the spirit is dead -James 2). The Bible is clear that Jesus paid the penalty in his PHYSICAL DEATH for all of our sins, who believe. He bore our sins in His BODY on the Tree.
"Adam, I just read again the pasages you posted, they speak about eternal separation from God, yet you say this is not Biblical?
That was the whole point. I rewrote those passages and removed the true penalty of "death", and substituted it with your claim that the penalty is actually "eternal separation from God."
What's even scarier is that after reading the passages TWICE you are so convinced of this doctrine you didn't even notice that I rewrote them to say something different.
Here's what the passages really say.
Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ DIED for our sins according to the scriptures;
Heb. 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with BLOOD; and without SHEDDING OF BLOOD is no remission. 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better SACRIFICES than these.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.....
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.
Mat. 10:28 And fear not them which KILL the body, but are not able to KILL the soul: but rather fear him which is able to DESTROY BOTH BODY AND SOUL in hell.
Heb. 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste DEATH for every man.
Heb. 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through DEATH he might destroy him that had the power of DEATH, that is, the devil;
"As long as there are adventists there will always be conflict about the Hell of the BIBLE. They will always manipulate and twist the plain sense of Scripture, just like the Jehovah's Witnesses. BUT at least Hell is not as fundamentally essential as the Deity of Christ, which is denied by the JW's.
The wages of sin is death. Death is separation (the body without the spirit is dead -James 2). The Bible is clear that Jesus paid the penalty in his PHYSICAL DEATH for all of our sins, who believe. He bore our sins in His BODY on the Tree."
Wow. It's a good thing your not bias either. You are a Christian yet you mock and insult millions of other Christians you never met...how sad.
When you speak from ignorance you often end up with ones foot in your mouth. I believed what the Bible said about the penalty of sin being death before I ever heard of Adventists. But you are so busy condemning complete strangers you wouldn't know that...so very sad.
In one moment you claim that others twist the Bible, then in the next moment you claim the wages of sin is death and that Christ physical death paid the penalty. Did you even realize what you just wrote?
HIS PHYSICAL DEATH PAID THE PENALTY. You are 100% right! Because the penalty for sin is death, not eternal separation from God. I am glad you finally and clearly made the statement where all can read how you contradicted yourself.
"Ummm...Its not workin here...Ima NOT sorry ta say...that some persons do not believe an accept what is called by some Christins as " the Fire an Brimstone " Stuff...non the less the Bible an God's word is very clear bout it...Hell an Lake of Fire for " Eternaty " is purty much Penalty of SIN an Eternal Seperation all in one...xo "
Why are there so many passages that plainly say that death is the penalty, yet there is not one verse that plainly says the penalty is eternal separation?
And while I'm asking questions...
Does eternal always mean eternal?
Does forever always mean forever?
Does everlasting always means everlasting?
Does every always mean every?
If Christ isn't eternally separated from God then explain how he has paid the proper penalty?
These are very basic points soooo...don't just tell someone they're wrong, show them.
While your at it can any of y'all explain the penalty paid by the sinners found below?
Isa. 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall DESTROY the sinners thereof OUT OF IT.
Rev. 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the DEAD, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY THEM which destroy the earth.
Lam. 2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger NONE ESCAPED NOR REMAINED: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.
Jer. 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, [there was] NO MAN, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
1Thes. 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE.
Zep. 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the FIRE of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy RIDDANCE OF ALL THEM THAT DWELL in the land.
Nah. 1:5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is BURNED at his presence, yea, the world, and ALL THAT DWELL THEREIN.
2Thes. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME with the spirit of his mouth, and shall DESTROY with the brightness of his coming:
Rev. 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should SMITE the nations
Mal. 4:1 For, behold, THE DAY COMETH, THAT SHALL BURN AS AN OVEN; and all the proud, yea, and ALL THAT DO WICKEDLY, SHALL BE STUBBLE: AND THE DAY THAT COMETH SHALL BURN THEM UP, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Rev. 19:21 And the remnant were SLAIN with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Mat. 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and SEVER THE WICKED from among the just,
Isa. 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and THEY THAT DWELL THEREIN SHALL DIE in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished
Mat. 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and BIND THEM INTO BUNDLES TO BURN THEM: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Wow...ok....You were re-written GOD's Word..thats what was not workin here...I got what you were doin...I might be Blonde but I sure aint Dumb...And I believe my last comment bout it bein Penalty of Sin is much the same as Eternal Seperation from GOD purty much stands...
Christ is not Eternally Seperated from GOD...He Asended to the Father in Heaven...Why would think or write that anyway ?
An While Ima here on this Thread thingy I will not be Abashed for yer sake of Arguement towards Whomever Pooped in yer Wheatys taday...Geeezzzzzz...Settle down Buck-A-Roo afor ya pop a brain cell...
