The bible clearly teaches these concepts all throughout scripture.anyone who pretends it doesnt,or misinterperates these passages on purpose,is not being honest,or doesnt want to acknowledge All of gods teachings
The bible is clear that none of us deserve salvation except through the blood of Christ!
It is also clear that not everyone goes to heaven.
It is also clear that most wont go to heaven.
whats different about the few who find it.
Nothing!
The lord said"I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy"
so it is by grace alone we are saved,through faith,and not of works,so no man can boast!
there is nothing good in us that makes us merit the eternal kingdom.
"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." (NKJ)
Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. (NKJ)
John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. "I and My Father are one." (NKJ)
John 17:9-12
"I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (NKJ)
When discussing Limited Atonement, one verse is often mentioned as contradictory: 1 John 2:2:
I John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. (NKJ)
At first glance, this verse appears to contradict the idea of Limited Atonement, but upon closer inspection it does not. The word propitiation means, satisfaction of God�s demands. In view of this definition and if this verse is really talking about the whole world, then we are back to universalism, which is un-Biblical. The phrase �whole world� in the Bible often means just a larger group of people, not literally the whole world. So, this verse is likely speaking of the two different groups of believers: Jews and non-Jews. John may be saying that Christ is not only a propitiation for our sins (Jewish believers) but for the elect found also throughout the whole world.
In context concerning those that will be in heaven:
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
man�y
   /ˈmɛni/ Show Spelled [men-ee] Show IPA adjective,more, most, noun, pronoun
�adjective
1.
constituting or forming a large number; numerous: many people.
2.
noting each one of a large number (usually fol. by a or an): For many a day it rained.
�noun
3.
a large or considerable number of persons or things: A good many of the beggars were blind.
4.
the many, the greater part of humankind.
�pronoun
What a difference the truth makes in context.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 � And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
In context concerning those that will be in heaven:
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
man�y
   /ˈmɛni/ Show Spelled [men-ee] Show IPA adjective,more, most, noun, pronoun
�adjective
1.
constituting or forming a large number; numerous: many people.
2.
noting each one of a large number (usually fol. by a or an): For many a day it rained.
�noun
3.
a large or considerable number of persons or things: A good many of the beggars were blind.
4.
the many, the greater part of humankind.
�pronoun
What a difference the truth makes in context.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 � And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
I don't believe in universalism...but I do believe Jesus died for all sin. This is part of my problem with "predestination"...Jesus did die for all sin, but it's only applied to the people who hear/believe/call/repent. God's influence and forgiveness moves on everyone...some people just don't want it and/or they can't endure the requirements.
Steve, how is that you try to represent the word of God as truth when it agrees with Calvinism, and you disagree with the word when Calvin doesn't agree with it.
First things first, Jesus died for all of mankind, who will accept, or reject his sacrifices , is another topic.
18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?
21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,
