Thread: Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
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Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 12 Jun, 2010 04:41 PM
This is something the Lord had been showing me for a few years about Matthew 28:18-20,this is not a mandate for
water Baptism;Acts 2:38 is.
Please look up the word Baptizing in Matthew 28:19,along with the two words "Teach"verse 19 and Teaching verse 20..
Then ask ABBA,what He is saying in this His Word..
Remember the context of this is about Discipleship.
Yeshua has commissioned these Jewish men to be going to the Nations/the Ethnos-Unclean ones.
They are to be making Disciples unto Yeshua the Jewish Messiah.
What the Lord shows you should be understood and taught by the Church,for this is not talking about water Baptism.
This is talking about immersing People into or with the Names Of GOD,as revealed in the Old Covenant.
To baptize a person in water,is a one time event.
To be baptizing/immersing believers into or with the names of GOD,is an on going continuous process,which requires that I have a deep understand of the Lord and His revealed names myself.
Each name reveals His character,attitude,personality;Who He is and what He is like.
Baptism,in water is unto the Remission/Forgiveness/the release of sins from the sinner..
And in the name of Yeshua,ONLY:Please read Acts 2 :38
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 14 Jun, 2010 12:19 AM
Trucker,
To me, this scripture is about forgetting God. By saying they forget His name He is saying they no longer call out to Him for answers. It is meant in a figurative sense.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 14 Jun, 2010 08:49 PM
Actually Acts 2 does NOT use the word Yashua. There is no "Y" in Greek. They didn't speak much Hebrew, since that language had been lost for about 400 years.
The Roman Catholics decided that Latin was the sacred language, and this was reversed in the late twentieth century.
Now well-meaning, but misguided individuals have decided to make Hebrew a new sacred language.
Well, ya'all, I speak Americun. Jesus is the name given above every name. Be in a relationship with Jesus.
A second comment: Water Baptism is not about water baptism, it is about immersion into the entire being of God through Jesus Christ. The rite only depicts outwardly that internal reality. Be in a soaking wet, fully immersed relationship with the water of Life.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 14 Jun, 2010 08:55 PM
Do you really think anyone will actually read such a post as the one with all the numbers? and written out verses.
ya'll ought to keep your post a little briefer and more pointed: Pity and poignant should be the rule. Although I myself have been guilty of being long-winded at times. Enjoy your reading.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 15 Jun, 2010 12:13 PM
You said, "I prefer the name Yashua." That is cool. As long as it is a matter of preference. There are however many persons who think that the key to access with GOD is the right pronunciation of the name of the Lord, as if it were a magic word, or some sort of incantation.
Obviously, from what you have said here, you get that.
Now on water baptism. It is about water baptism, but NOT ONLY about water baptism.
Too often in trying to understand the Word we make the mistake of creating un-necessary choices, or dichotomies, where none exist.
I had a pastor once who preached on love, and did a good job, till he began to come across as if we had to choose between love and faith. NO, NO, No. We need love and faith.
And in the great commission, it is clear that the idea is water baptism, as it was taken this way by the disciples in their manner of evangelism as recorded in the book of Acts. But it seems to me that some churches emphasize the external act, with not an iota of instruction on implementing the intent of the act, TOTAL IMMERSION OF the whole life into all of God.
Ours should be an effort at reconciliation of truth with truth, not of putting truth in conflict with itself.
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 15 Jun, 2010 05:46 PM
Hi Trucker, your whole theses concerning immersion in water hinges on proving water baptism was done by dunking a person in water. I have found sprinkling in the law but not immersion. So I would appreciate if you can give us the scripture for it.
In addition, God says we are not under fleshly ordinances now since we have Christ and we don't need types and shadows.
Ephesians 2:14 ��For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 �Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
Also God says we now only have one baptism and that it is an operation of God.
Ephesians 4:5 �One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Colossians 2:12 �Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
I believe Colossians 2:12 is a spiritual baptism and God sees us as buried and risen with Christ. Also Christ never baptized anyone with water.
Matthew 3:11 �I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Since God says we only have one baptism for today what would be the advantage of going against his word?
Matthew 28:18-20:Is this really about water baptism?
Posted : 15 Jun, 2010 09:28 PM
Hello everyone:
Matthew 28:18-20:
Thank you for being longsuffering with me concerning this Scripture;Baptizing,into or to the name of the Father,and the name of the Son,and the name of the Holy Spirit.
The traditional understanding of this Scripture,is that this is talking about water baptism.
Yet the word here is no Baptize,or Baptism,nor Baptized,Rather the word is Baptizing,which
is the plural of Baptize(d,m).
Remember the context of this Scripture,is about making disciples.
The way of making disciples,according to the Word of the Lord is through teaching,vs 19 & 20,
not through dunking them into water( I will deal with this later acts 2:38).
Yeshua,commissions His disciples to go and make disciples of the Nations(#1484 SGC).
The nations are those that are not Hebrews the Gentiles the unclean ones.
To be Baptizing a person into or to the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit,is a continual process,
which invovles Teaching the Gentiles who the God of Israel is,what his name(s)are,
and to teach them who He is and what He is like.
What is contained within the name(s) of the Lord are his revealed Character,attitdue,
and His personality
We are to also know His attributes,you do not get any of this being dunked in water.
In Yeshua all of the Godhead dwells bodily,yet in John 17 Jesus says He manifested
the name of the Father to His disciples,John 17:6,12.
John 17:11,Yeshua asks the Father to; keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me.
Why do we not teach others the name(s) of GOD found in the Old covenant,maybe we do not think
this is very important,seeing we are under Grace not the law.
Maybe I am a stickler about this.
Also acts 2:38 says to be Baptized in the name of Jesus only.
Why does not Peter,who is filled with the Holy Spirit mention anything about being Baptized in the name
of the Father,and the name of the Son,and the name of the Holy Spirit.
If this is about water Baptism,and we want to be Biblically accurate and obedient to the Word,then
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
We have the Fathers name,we have the Sons name,What then is the Name of the Holy Spirit,
can anyone show me in the Scriptures the revealed name of the Holy Spirit.
So then Matthew 28:18-20 this Baptizing (plural) to the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit, is unto discipleship.
Acts 2:38 ..Acts 10:34-48;This being Baptized (singular) in Jesus' name is one time,
