Author	Thread: luke 8:18
Admin	luke 8:18 Posted : 5 Jun, 2010 08:41 AM "Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have." what shall be given or taken away? is it the seed which was explained earlier in the chapter or is it all encompassing; meaning everything that person has or seems to have? Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 12:55 PM And I DO NOT always agree w/ the Calvinists. I really don't, and I'm going to quote myself here to prove it. Go look up the original post if you don't believe me. And I apologize that it's veering more on the mouthy side and less on the intellectual argument side. I was venting. I think. If I remember correctly. April 19th was ages ago. ______________ Who was "Predestined"? Posted : 19 Apr, 2010 07:08 PM Christians are to follow Christ, not Calvin or Arminius, especially since BOTH Calvin and Arminius were very obviously flawed in their beliefs/doctrine. The Bible is our source of doctrine, not some little list that some imperfect person made up. We are NOT to follow persons other than Christ and we are NOT to add to what God's Word says. The Bible is God-breathed and texts outside of it, such as anything said/written by Calvin or Arminius, are not. I really think it's as simple as reading your Bible and believing that what it says is true... And if we're having trouble understanding our Bibles, than we ought to ask God for wisdom, not go running after the man-made ideas of Calvin, Arminius, or anyone else. (1 Corinthians 1:10-17) The Bible says that we are predestined to be saved through Christ's work on the cross; what Christ did enables ALL mankind to have a relationship with God through Him. What Christ did for all is what predestines us... not some list. (Ephesians 1:4-14) We must repent and accept Christ's sacrifice as the sole, complete atonement for our sin. If you reject that, then you go to Hell; if you accept it, then you go to Heaven. It has nothing to do with being on some "A" list. If all that's required for someone to be saved is to be some "A" list, then Christ wouldn't have needed to be die. Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 01:08 PM Well we can agree on that, Concerning the Holy Spirit, Jesus is our example and the one that gives us the Holy Spirit, the spirit within and the spirit upon Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 01:55 PM I guess I am going to be the brave one here and stick my neck out.In matters of the Holy Spirit, when we are baptized we are baptized in the name of the father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit at that time is with us. In this matter I speak of water baptisem. However, PJ you need to be more clear in your statements to those who you ask questions to. I also believe in the baptisem of the Holy Spirit.this is the infilling of the Holy Spirit which is spoken of in the book of acts.Yes, I do speak in tongues. Water baptisem is always different than baptisem of the Holy Spirit. It is always said you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit at water baptisem. These are 2 different acts of the Holy Spirit.The first which is water is when the Holy Spirit comes to lead you to salvation. Provide the answer PJ. Just saying it is the word is not good enough.Tell them where to find it.The first 3 chapters of acts can help people.I currently have a study guide book on acts and will be starting something soon on my own. Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 03:00 PM I know where to find information about the Holy Spirit in my Bible. That's not what I'm asking for from PJ. What I'm asking him is to show where in the Bible it supports his idea that I said something contrary to Scripture about the Holy Spirit. Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 05:14 PM Okay I said until you have the Holy Spirit in light of the word, or to say as the word of God teaches receiving the Holy Spirit. Then and only then can a Christian be all that Jesus has called them to be. Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 05:44 PM Chapter and verse, PJ?? And an explanation as to how that chapter and verse disagrees w/ what I said about the Holy Spirit. Please and thank you =) Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 05:53 PM Ac 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Mt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mr 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Lu 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 � When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John�s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. ACts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 � While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. 1 � And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 05:57 PM I agree with everything the Bible has to say about the Holy Spirit, PJ, and did not say anything about the Holy Spirit that contradicts what anything in the Bible has to say, including the verses you pasted here. So, unless you can be a little more specific... case closed... =) Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 06:49 PM Pixy, For what it is worth, I think you did a wonderful job of explaining a difficult scripture. Good job. Love and grace, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	luke 8:18 Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 11:05 PM Thank you, Leon; I appreciate that =) Post Reply

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