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Posted : 11 May, 2010 10:01 AM

Gen. 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.



4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:



5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.



6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?



7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.





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Posted : 11 May, 2010 12:13 PM

when i read "Does the way we worship matter?" i believe you are asking about the physical acts, but when i read the scripture you have presented it seems to suggest that you are talking about the heart of worship, can you clear this up please.

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Posted : 11 May, 2010 12:43 PM

Well...both. Everything. Cain probably did offer up the best fruit of His labor, but it was not what God asked for. Cain was a tiller of the earth, He probably assumed that God didn't care what was offered as long as it was a sacrifice, when the point was that it needed to be a lamb sacrificed as a symbol of Christ. I was just trying to point out that there is "our" way that we think is best, and then there is what God asks from us. I guess my point is...do we get to choose what to give to God, or how to worship God? Do we get to choose what is "good" in God's eyes...or should we do what God asks? It an obvious answer, I know...just sayin'... instead of convenience, or habit, or tradition...we should be doing what God wants. We should be looking at our lives to see where we need to give God what He asks for instead of doing what we think is best or "enough". Worship, obedience, everything. I'm sure Cain thought "This will be good enough" too....I know I do...





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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:00 PM

Nyanda made a great point. "The Heart of Worship". Where is our Heart when we Worship an present Offerins to the Lord. The Lord sees an knows what is in Our Hearts prior to the worship/offerin...

PJ ~ The greatest Worship in the Bible ? Could it be Jesus* un-waverin to do the Will of The Father ?...xo

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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:00 PM

I'm not convinced that the issue was that the sacrifice needed to be a lamb. Lambs were not the only things considered acceptable. In my opinion, I think it had more to do with Cain's attitude and perhaps that he didn't offer the "best" of the fruits... maybe that he didn't offer the firstfruits??

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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:16 PM

It was the lord, himself.

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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:22 PM

Well...it did need to be a lamb though...Abel offered His sacrifice by faith(Heb. 11:4), and faith comes from hearing the word of God(Rom 10:17). So Abel had done what God told him to do. Cain thought he knew better. His sacrifice may have been heart-felt...but it was not accepted, because it wasn't "faithful". It was presumption. He abandoned obeying God to do what He thought was "enough".



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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:28 PM

well hit, from my recollection, it is written, "God is a spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" throughout the bible i can remember two instances besides Jesus of course that pleased God. when it was accounted unto Abraham for righteousness for believing the word of God and when Abel gave the "firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof". for me, both are tied by a common thread of adoration for the father and complete abandon. how would you gift someone whom you adored?

to answer your question, imo no, the way we worship is irrelevant. all that matters is that it came out of a heart of adoration and total abandon. think paul agrees because he writes 1 Tim. 1:5 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned."

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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:31 PM

Blood has to be shed for sin.

Hebrews 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:37 PM

I suppose you're also right, Pixy...maybe the reason Cain was rejected was because he didn't obey God, therefore he wasn't righteous. Either he didn't obey in the type of offering or maybe previous disobedience episodes...or His attitude was wrong...anyway...bad presumptuous Cain, good faithful Abel...Amen...





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Posted : 11 May, 2010 01:43 PM

I should have clarified this upfront... Offerings aren't always for sin and therefore don't always involve shed blood. I don't dispute that offerings for sin involve shed blood.

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