Author	Thread: Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything!
Admin	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 04:15 AM �Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?� And He says, �I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.� So for us who know that God loves us, it is a great comfort to also �know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.� (Amos 3:6; Isaiah 45:7;Romans 8:28 �I know that you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted.� (Ecclesiastes 7:14; Job 42:2) �What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?� , �In all this did not Job sin with his lips.� �For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.� Knowing He is in control of ALL THINGS, we can easily believe �in all things God works for the good of those who love him.� And �He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all-- how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?� �So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future-- all are yours, and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.� �For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.� �And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.� �He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment-- to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.� �And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.� �We will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.� �For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.� �He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.� �In these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.� �The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.� "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being." -In Christ Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 04:06 PM of course God is in control of everything, but he does not take control... it's his supreme nature to be in control by default, but "i put before you life and death, good and evil choose life!" God is not a bully. and if your arguing that everything every time is his plan and that he did it, then.... no one's going to hell. it's just that simple. nyanda:purpleangel: Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 04:10 PM @PhillipJohn: I decide to read the bible myself, and all I can tell from my bible lecture is that there isn't even a hair falling off my head without the consent of God. He is in control, whatever your understanding of the bible is, sorry. Plus: I once stated that I do not really understand how to pt the bible in categories as true or untrue, it's like saying a car was true or untrue, or maybe the other way round, what about a teaching being yellow or blue? Some adjectives combined with certain nouns make no sense, at least to me. So with the bible and being true. God is true, that's enough for me.:yay: God bless you Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 04:13 PM @Abedjau- Are you saying that you don't believe the Bible to be true? Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 04:47 PM No. I say that it makes as much ssense to say the bible was true as saying a lamp was true, or an airplane. It's a thing. One could claim to say the message of the bible was true, then one had to think in which way: Historically, spiritually, allegorically... all mentioned... And one had to decide on which was the message of the bible, as I read through this forum I see that people hardly can agree on that. So I think dealing with the bible here leads nowhere, I start at another point: God Himself. He is true. True to me, true to you, true to all mankind. Whatever He says is true, and once you hear Him, there is no question whether this be spiritually true, historically true etc (I hardly ever, no wrong. I never had an experience when God spoke to me about historical truth - historical truth is something that came up only a few centuries ago, during the time of enlightenment, for some reason some poeple introduced it into Christianity and theology, still don't see the benefit)... Now don't get me wrong, I don't say in any way that the bible was worthless or unimportant. It's the only thing we really HAVE, when it comes to God, as in "have in our hands". But God isn't somebody you can have in your hands, as having control over Him, understand what I mean? So the bible, compared with God, is still a very small thing. But if I want to get closer to Him, learn about Him, all I can do myself is read the bible (or listen to a sermon, which is basically nothing than interpretation of the bible), it all comes down to the bible, as for what I can do MYSELF. But faith isn't about anything we do ourselves, it's induced by God, no one else has the power to make us a believer or not. We do not become believers because of the possible historical truth of certain events in the bible, as of Moses waliong through the sea or David ruling over such a big empire. There is no reason to believe, reason as in "reasoning of man". The only cause to believe is that God touched you, showed you the truth, which is impossible to put in words and write down so you can pass it on. God passes it on. Nonetheless we write down what we experience with God (I think this is how the bible came into being in the end) to lift up our brothers and sisters in faith, to help their weak minds accept that it was really true what they also experienced, that God is alive and forgiving us, that Jesus died for us (see, I also have my problems getting it into words, but you will know what I mean - that feeling of absolute love from God for us, this happiness). So these writings give a hint, like our deeds give hints. Of course we try hard to do good, because we also love God who loved us first. I think it's nothing to be seen like speaking ofobeying the law and all, like saying what one has to do. We do know what to do, don't we? Without even reading a letter of the law, right? Because God loved us and so we want to love Him, love everybody He loves too, our neighbours and even enemies. There's no way in speaking about this in terms of "have to", as there is a "want to", isn't it? Love causes love, love enables love, this is why love is so much stronger than hate or any other emotion. This gives hints to those around you. They see our love and wonder where that comes from, and want that for themselves. All they can do themselves is read the bible. And pray (I forgot that before, but actually praying isn't something you can take in your hands:laugh:)... But then again, they do not become Christians by accepting anything written in the bible to be true in any way, having a distanced relation to it, right? Because that would mean that they are still based on their own capabilities, and all that they get from the bible would be reasoning of their own minds, without God in the game yet. But once God touches them, it all changes, doesnt it? Though the truths are still very much the same on the surface, they get filled with content, the love is coming out, getting in. God loving us at first isn't something that we can accept only with our minds. We can decide to believe it to be true, like we once decided that is was sensible to believe that 2+2=4. But this isn't it yet, there is more, there is conviction which can only be given by God. For if there is a reason why we accept this or that in the bible, there can also be a reason be put up (that we yet don't know of) which can put it all in doubt. As the reasoning is only man's reasoning. One could only close one's ears and refuse to hear any reasons that would speak against what one considered true before. But that would be stubborn and ending up in a dead end street, no way out. Only when God touches us, when He opens up triuth for us, there are no reasons any more. Then the faith isn't based on a reason, it's based on God being the only reason (I rather say cause) for our faith, for the love we are now full of to give and so make this world a better place. Not because we are to do so through His law, but because we want, we need no letter of His law to know what to do, we are to love. Unconditionally. We know that love is like described in 1. Cor 13 withot having to read it, because we experienced it in God.:yay: Sorry for writing so lengthy, it got into a flow and couldn't stop:angel: I only wanted to answer pixie's question. God bless you all Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:09 PM Okay if you do believe the bible is true, you can know that God is not in control of everything. Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:31 PM I just wonder, what He would not control? Eph 1:11: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will If He works all things after the counsel of His own will, what is the thing that does not belong to "all things" and is not worked after the counsel of His own will? What is the things that is not controlled by God, according to this verse? Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:46 PM The works of Satan?!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:54 PM So there is all things in this world. They are worked by God's will alone. And then, adding to all, there is even more, the works of Satan... My understanding of English was till today, that all would mean all, and not all but certain other ones... Post Reply
View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 06:28 PM Who is the God of this earth? Post Reply
gracegrace View Profile History	Unhh....somebody said God is not in control of everything! Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 06:43 PM I always have trouble with this when seeing or hearing of child abuse...someone beating, burning, cutting, torturing, sexually assaulting, neglecting...a child who is helpless to prevent or stop it or to provide for their own basis needs. You cannot convince me that God is in control of that situation. I do believe that He is ultimately in control of the outcome of that situation. satan is real and works through real people. I think the word "will" in Eph 1:11 could be interperrted "decree". God (or we) decrees a thing and lots of stuff has to come together to cause it to come into being. Some of those things might be good and some may seem bad, but if we love God and trust Him the outcome will always be for our good. Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Post Reply

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