I read this entire thread and you say, "To be so arrogant to say the Christian leaders of the last 2,000 years did not understand the Bible better than we do is just plan ignorant!" But I don't see where anyone said anything like that.
You say, "I find it amusing that people argue about "doctrines or men". And yet here you are.
You: "I would be willing to bet not one person on these forums has spent 3 hours in prayer. I would even be surprise that anyone has prayed 3 hours in a whole day." Really, have you?
"Study to show thy self approved a workman that needs not be ashamed." Has nothing to do with Bible study. Perhaps you should study the Greek on this one.
You again, "And people let's start acting like we have a clue and come to the boards with a legitimate argument . . ." I agree as long as let's includes you, ok?
"Lose the presuppositions and let the Bible objectively tell you what it says instead of reading subjectively and smash you idea into it. That is if you are actually reading it!!!" Nice dig spoken in the love of Jesus I'm sure.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Good response, did you ever notice Jesus ask questions alot, he has dealt with me alot just that way, I know when he asks me, I usually need to learn, of course we know the answer, but he wants us to ask ourself the question.
But in answer to your question of course people believe they can worship the lord as they wish, but it will never meet the lord's expectations.
As for doctrine some believe it does not make any real difference, but it can mean life or death.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
You say: As for doctrine, some believe it does not make any real difference but it can mean life or death.
Then you quote a bible verse ( I suppose to back up the above), i.e. 1Tim4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devels.
My question:
Where does it say that these "some" are worshipping God in Spirit and in Truth?
In Matt13 Jesus speaks of the seed being planted (excuse my poor English).
I think these "some who depart faith" refer to "seed that fell on the road" and the "rocky places without much soil" and "thorns", rather than the seed that fell in good soil (which I connect to worshipping God in Spirit and in Truth)
Once again, I do not dispose of an English bible (yet) so I cannot quote Matt13 in English. But I hope you understand what I mean.
"To be so arrogant to say the Christian leaders of the last 2,000 years did not understand the Bible....But I don't see where anyone said anything like that. It is all through the forums maybe not this particular thread but the same people post here in other threads and they act like the old dead guys knew nothing, like we are smarter now than they were then. I strongly disagree, we are farther along in the fall and sin is decaying our body's and mind. It is wise to learn from our elders even if they been dead 100 yrs, 500 yrs or 2,000 yrs.
"I find it amusing that people argue about "doctrines or men". And yet here you are. OK my wording here may not be clear on this one. What I find funny is rather than coming with a statement to present they use "don't judge" or I follow God not man" or some other statement that is empty rather than present a true defense for why they follow this doctrine or that doctrine. I like the debate so I enjoy coming here and reading some intelligent responses, like yours, I may not agree all the time but I still consider it a valuable learning tool.
...I would even be surprise that anyone has prayed 3 hours in a whole day." Really, have you? NOT EVEN CLOSE!! But give me a man that does and I want to sit at his feet and learn from him. And most of the old dead guys did things like that. I only pray I could have that kind of devotion for my savior.
Study to show thy self approved a workman that needs not be ashamed." Has nothing to do with Bible study. Perhaps you should study the Greek on this one. Then what are we to study if it isn't about Bible study. I don't have much of an argument here because you may be right as far as learning the Greek. That will change by the end of the month because I am going to do a Word study workshop in Parker, Co.
....a legitimate argument . . ." I agree as long as let's includes you, OK? This goes to and with the "don't judge" crowd that comes here. Weather or not I am right or wrong in my presentation is not what is meant here, it is present your side so I can present mine. If I am only looking at one side or the argument I'll never learn. These threads would be shorter or long if the people that come would present a legitimate argument instead of a cry.
...That is if you are actually reading it!!!" Nice dig spoken in the love of Jesus I'm sure. Yes, actually it was. One can almost tell the difference between those that read the Bible and know their doctrine or the parakeets that repeat what the preacher says. I encourage reading it for yourself, even if it came across a little harsh does not bother me because a lot of times I need a good boot kick to get me going to.
Thunder I like you, you always have intelligent thoughts behind what you say. I wish more people would respond like you. And if I am out of line or veering to far off course give me a swift boot back on.
You replyd ~ You have taken the word completely out of context. Yup ! I did...imagine that...dang Women...:glow:...LOL...and...
You do "argue" your side of the debate. Not as in an angry argument...
Personaly speakin of my self...I do not Debate or Argue the Word...It is what it is...Truth...I find no Legitimacy in doin that...Synonyms of Legitimacy ~ lawfulness, legality, rightfulness...:rolleyes:
I'd much rather divide the Word as instructed by the Word and Discuss the findings with fellow Christains...But ~ Of course this rarely happens in a Peaceful ending...It usually ends ina all out Arguement...:boxing:
As I said prior...Debates are Constructive an Arguements are Destructive...Thats my story/opinion/perspective an Ima stickin to it !..Still luv me..???...LOL�Ha Ha !...Luv ya more�:nahnah:...Anywho...enough babblin from me...Yall hava a GOD filled an Blessed day...xo
Yes I am sure God is not in control of everything.
Here is a great example of false doctrine: Jesus Did not die for all men.
Ask yourself how could that hurt anyone, Satan's takes that lie and continually whispers it their ear. The father does not have anything to do with anything that brings doubt.
