Author	Thread: Shying away from question
Admin	Shying away from question Posted : 17 Apr, 2010 04:54 AM I recently posted a question concerning Christians in sports and how Christians are to dress in public. And no doubt there are contradictions to what many say they believe about the attire Christians are to wear and also Christians' participation in certain sports which causes them to wear such attire (or lack thereof). Seems that many have chosen to stay away from this very important question, so I'll ask it again. Beloved does participating in sports excuse a woman from having to dress modestly? Is it improper for men to wear no shirt in public (which some sports demand that they do)? Bikinis cover about the same or much less than underwear. Yet people think it crazy if someone takes their dress off and walks down the street with her braw and pannies on, yet if she goes just one block away and strips down to what is termed a (swim suit) revealing much less, this is Ok. Is there not hypocrisy here? A woman can stand in front of her house with a braw and pannies and someone will call the cops. Yet the same woman can put less on and swim in the olympics before millions viewing the same as those neighbors and she's applauded. Huh? Post Reply
View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 17 Apr, 2010 11:34 PM It seems to me that many Christians want to legislate morality rather than control their own minds. It is also easier to look and want than it is to look and love at times. (Unless you're looking at a Harley, lol) I grew up in San Diego. Women wear next to nothing almost year round there. I was a surfer and motorcycle racer so it was never a big deal to me. When I moved to Tennessee the guys there acted like they had never seen a woman before if a girl came into the room in shorts and a tank top! I was amazed by their reaction. I would think she was dressed for church, you know? Anyway, get your mind out of the gutter so someone else's can float by ok? As for the Christian dress code, yes I agree that modesty is the best policy but lets not be judgmental about it when it comes to things like sports. Should a Christian girl play in the lingerie bowl? Probably not. Should she be a figure skater, gymnast, or swimmer? Absolutely. Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 08:02 AM Peace be unto the faithful in CHRIST. To you who responded. And spoke on the side of indecent exposure, I've heard your opinions, in which of course I didn't notice any scriptural foundation to back up your arguments. Prostitutes dress seductively for a Reason. To Seduce! It is apparent (if we are honest) that there is a natural attraction between a man and a woman (physically) which can be increased when unclothed or when one is partially naked. One of you mentioned Adam and Eve and how they were Naked before the fall. Yes this is true. But GOD didn't leave them that way after the fall. GOD HIMSELF Clothed them. " Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD GOD make coats of skins, and clothed them." (Gen 3:21) Notice what happened before GOD clothed them " And the eyes of them both were opened , and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together , and made themselves aprons." (Gen 3:7) They made "aprons" But GOD made "coats". Coats i do believe covers Much more than aprons. Nevertheless, the point is they were clothed. We are not living before the fall, but after the fall. "And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness." Now their brother Cannaan saw their father's Noah's nakedness and was Cursed because of it. Now if All this wasn't a Big Deal, what was the Problem here? The two went in backwards for a Reason. (Gen 9:20-27) Again GOD said, " Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto MINE altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon." Ex 20:26 GOD Also commanded, " And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness ; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach: And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die : it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him." Ex 28:42-43 And to the brother in Europe who spoke about everyone going into the sauna "Naked"; What if Kindred go into the same sauna, what if a brother and sister, uncle and nephew go into the same sauna. Is GOD Pleased with this? Of course Not!!! GOD said, "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD." Lev 18:6 We aught Not Violate The Commands of GOD, to Keep Our Own Traditions. Sports, Recreation, or otherwise. "But HE (The LORD JESUS CHRIST) answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of GOD by your tradition?" (Matt 15:3) Proverbs 7:10 KJV And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot , and subtil of heart. What was the "Attire of a Harlot"? The clothing was Shiyth or "Sheeth" which has to do with tight form fitting clothing. No wonder why Prostitutes dress the way most do. Their is a reason that Women dress Revealing to sell Products. If there was Nothing to it as you try to suggest, this wouldn't be such a popular tool of the Enemy. To suggest that one has his/her mind in "the gutter" because he/she speaks out against improper/unholy dressing, is to Speak against The WORD of GOD Itself. Amen. Post Reply
View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 08:50 AM @loveandgrace: When I go to the sauna with my parents (yes, that happens) I do not uncover their nakedness. And of course I do not seek sexual intercourse with any of my relatives, which seems to me is the background of the whole verse. It's not about being naked, it's about lusting after relatives. What is your image of a sauna? We go there to sweat and do something for our health. I do not say that there wasn't anything with half-naked women decieving men. But after all, it's the men's job to control himself rather than tell the women to dress as he pleases. For the decieving is not because of the clothing, the decieving is because of the man's mind. A woman could walk about covered up all like in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, and still the enemy would find a tool to attack. You cannot make all the world change for you to have an easier life. By the way: Adam and Eve covered themselves up because they wanted to, God helped them doing it by getting them some coats. So I do agree that whenever you feel uncomfortable covering too less you have a right to cover up (that's why I dislike upcoming legislation in some European countries prohibiting muslim women to cover their hair and face). But I do not see any reason why one should be ordered to dress up. You mention Noah in Gen 9. See that the bible doesn't state Noah did a thing wrong for being unovered, but Sem and Japhet being praised for looking away? Ham did the opposite, not only did he see his father uncovered, he also told his brothers about it, which we can easily guess how it happened: Ham coing out of the tent speaking to his brothers: Hey look inside, our old man, that drunkard lying there uncovered. Ham was making fun of his father, that's what was the bad thing. Not Noah uncovered. Sem and Japhet did the best not to ashame him too, so they decided to look away and help their father by covering him up, as he was asleep and couldn't do by himself. So I wonder, when you put it to a modern setting, who is who. Is the conservative Christian who says that people must cover themselves up the more the better compareable to Noah, Ham, or Sem and Japhet? What about the liberal Christian who walks about showing a bit more? And finally, those who get knowledge of people not covered too much and trying to not add to the uncovered's shame by pointing at them, but looking not at it. I try to control myself and be part of the last group, though I must admit I am not always strong enough to do so. Where do you fit in? God bless you De Benny Post Reply
View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 09:04 AM You foolish Galatians,who has vexed you? Post Reply
View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 08:50 PM Praise the LORD And SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. To the brother speaking on the "Foolish Galatians" Scripture...Though we are not all under the law, we are still to fulfill the "Righteiousness of the law" and this is done when we walk Not after the Flesh but after The SPIRIT of GOD (Romans chp 8). The New Testament is filled with things that Christians should avoid (i.e, fornication, adultery, lying, disobedience to parents, getting drunk, stealing, etc.). JESUS said, "You do Greatly err not knowing the Scripture neither the power of GOD." Though we are not under the "letter of the law" we are still to live Holy as Believers in CHRIST. And without which, we cannot see the LORD (Heb 12:14). To the brother from Europe. I don't fall into a category concerning what you mentioned. My job (as is yours) is to live holy and to "Reprove" the unfruitful works of darkness, while not having fellowship with those works. Also it's not just lusting after the nakedness of your kindred that GOD forbids, it's uncovering it altogether. As it evident in the other scripture references. We shouldn't add to the WORD of GOD. Furthermore, Nowhere does it say that Ham was and teasing concerning his father's naked. He looked upon his naked father. His brothers didn't. What an evil thing. When you come to a conscientiousness, you shouldn't behold the nakedness of your relatives. Now as far as controlling one's self, that's not a problem. As Christians, we are to exercise temperance in every area of our lives. However, that shouldn't stop us from Reproving the violators. For example, we should turn the other cheek if one smites us. This is exercising temperance. So what? Do we not Preach against smiting GOD'S people. Yes, we should. The Holy Scripture is Given to us For correction and instruction in Righteousness, and we should use it for such, by the grace that GOD has given to us. Always speaking the Truth in Love. In JESUS CHRIST, Holy And Righteous And Blessed And Glorious NAME. Amen. Post Reply
View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 09:02 PM The righteousness of the Law has been fulfilled through Christ!There is now NO condemnation for those In Christ."No more shall I remember their trespasses,they are as far as the east is from the west".When my father looks at me,He sees Christ His Son,ALWAYS!I now do not need to fallow the Law at all to please God,He IS pleased with me.In all things we do it is the motive that counts.If our motive is to please God,we then do not believe that we are In Christ which whom He is fully pleased.All that is not of Faith is sin.Have faith that you ARE fully pleasing to the Lord and are PERFECT IN HIS SIGHT my brother!Now is that AWESOME or what?I Rest in that PEACE! Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Shying away from question Posted : 19 Apr, 2010 06:54 PM I like the "we should worry about our own thoughts and actions" motif...and I think that's what we should try to do instead of worrying about our fellow Christians thoughts all the time...but I do think there should be a little tiny bit of mercy for other people. We have to remember...we aren't really supposed to be "witnessing" to saved and holy Christians that are controlling their thoughts. We're supposed to be witnesses to the WORLD...full of sinners that feel no need to control themselves. People that don't know God. I just think we need to take that into account as well when we talk about being modest. I believe modesty should be about suppressing personal pride...so whatever your conscience tells you would suffice under that belief...but...isn't that belief a little selfish? When we should be an example to people instead of leading them into more sin?(talking about the world) :peace::peace: Post Reply

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