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Admin	blessed assurance! Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 02:17 AM the gospel is not preached to all people.Those who do hear it do not respond the same.We will never be convinced that our salvation comes from gods great mercy until we understand eternal election.Gods grace is shown by the fact that he does not give away salvation to everyone.Not understanding this great truth takes away from gods glory and prevents true humility.Paul maintains that the principle can only be understood if works are set on one side,and god is seen to elect those whom he has predestined.His exact words are"So too,at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.And if by grace,then it is no longer by works.if it were,grace would no longer be grace"(rom.11;5-6) Post Reply
SOS4EMAILFRIEND View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 04:07 PM PhilipJohn Sir You say: calvinism does not pertain any truth. Any truth? You are oversimplifying again. You say: it is man made So are your convictions Sir! best personal regards Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 06:03 PM God has chosen to save to Himself perhaps one billion souls, perhaps more than that, who knows. God has chosen to give perhaps a Billion people, mercy and blessings beyond anything we can imagine. he has chosen to give the rest, perfect justice, according to what they have done in this life. NO ONE will get INjustice. There is mercy and forgiveness for whosoever will come to Jesus, and perfect justice for those who do not. Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 06:10 PM Eeny meeny miny moe salvation? Where does Scripture say that? In Romans 9 Paul TEACHES in the clearest way possible that God CHOOSES. God is perfect in every way, and just because we don't know why God chose a person does NOT mean His choice is arbitrary. You don't know why God only made one moon for Earth, but you would never say his choice was "eeeny meeny miny moe" would you? In John 6 Jesus TEACHES in the clearest way possible that God, just like when He CHOSE the Jews among all the peoples of Earth, has also NOW CHOSEN people from all over the earth FOR HIMSELF. God is sovereign in ALL things and ALL of His creation. If you are trusting in Christ alone and you have repented from sin as a way of life, the ONLY reason you have done this is because FIRST the Holy Spirit came into you and MADE YOU A NEW CREATURE. Eph.2:8,9 says that even FAITH is a gift from God. Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 06:13 PM PhillipJohn, The view one takes concerning Salvation will be determined, to a large extent, by the view one takes concerning sin and its effects on human nature. When Calvinists speak of man as being totally depraved, they mean that man's nature is corrupt, perverse, and sinful throughout. It does not mean that man is as totally wicked as he can be. "total" is used to indicate that the WHOLE of man's being has been affected by sin. A. As a result of Adams transgression, men are born in sin and by nature are spiritually dead: therefore, if they are to become God's children and enter His kingdom, they must be born anew of the Spirit. 1. When Adam was placed in the garden of Eden, he was warned not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the threat of immediate SPIRITUAL death. Genesis 2:16,17: and the Lord commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree on the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall die." 2. Adam disobeyed and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:1-7); consequently, he brought spiritual death upon himself and upon the whole human race. Romans 5:12; Therefore as sin came into the world through one man [Adam, see vs. 14] and DEATH through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned. EPHESIANS 2:1-3 and you he MADE ALIVE, when you were DEAD through trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were BY NATURE children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Colossians 2:13; And you who were DEAD in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, GOD MADE ALIVE together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses. 3. David confessed that he, as well as all other men, was born in sin. Psalm 51:5; Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. Psalm 58:3; The wicked go astray from the womb, the err from their birth, speaking lies. 4. Because men are born in sin and are by nature spiritually dead, Jesus taught that men must be born anew if they are to enter God's kingdom. John 3:5-7; Jesus answered, "Truly, Truly, I say unto you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot ENTER the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'YOU MUST BE BORN ANEW'" compare John 1:12,13 B. As a result of the fall, men are blind and deaf to spiritual truth. Their minds are darkened by sin; their hearts are corrupt and evil. Gen. 6:5; The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY. Gen. 8:21...The imagination of man's heart is EVIL from his youth.. Ecclesiastes 9:3...The HEARTS of men are FULL OF EVIL, and madness is in their hearts while they live... Jeremiah 17:9; The HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, and DESPERATELY CORRUPT; who can understand it? Mark 7:21-23; "For from within, OUT OF THE HEART OF MAN, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man." John 3:19; And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and MEN LOVED DARKNESS, rather than light because their deeds were evil. Romans 8:7,8; For the MIND that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; IT does not submit to God's law, indeed it CANNOT; and those who are in the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD. 1 Corinthians 2:14: The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and, HE IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned. Ephesians 4:17-19: Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds; they are DARKENED IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, DUE TO THEIR HARDNESS OF HEART; they have become callous and have given themselves up to licentiousness, greedy to practice every kind of uncleanness. Ephesians 5:8 For once you were DARKNESS, but now you are light in the Lord... Titus 1:15: To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; THEIR VERY MINDS AND CONSCIENCES ARE CORRUPTED. C. Before sinners are born into God's kingdom through the regenerating power of the Spirit, they are children of the Devil and under his control; they are slaves to sin. John 8:44 You are of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and YOUR WILL is to do your father's desires. Ephesians 2:1,2; And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, FOLLOWING THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 2 Timothy 2:25,26; God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from THE SNARE OF THE DEVIL, after being CAPTURED BY HIM TO DO HIS WILL. 1 John 3:10; By this it may be seen who are the children of God, and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not do right is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother. 1John 5:19; We know that we are of God, and the whole world is IN THE POWER OF THE EVIL ONE. John 8:34; Jesus answered them, "Truly , Truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a SLAVE TO SIN". Romans 6:20; When you were SLAVES OF SIN, you were free in regard to righteousness. Titus 3:3; For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, SLAVES to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by men and hating one another. D. The reign of sin is universal; all men are under it's power; consequently, none is righteous---not even one! 2 Chronicles 6:36; ....for there is NO MAN who does not sin... Job 15:14-16; What is a man, that he can be clean? Or he that is born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not clean in his sight; how much less one who is abominable and corrupt, A MAN WHO DRINKS INIQUITY LIKE WATER! PSALM 130:3; If Thou, O Lord, shouldst mark iniquities, Lord, WHO COULD STAND? Psalm 143:2; Enter not into judgment with thy servant; for NO MAN LIVING is righteous before Thee. Proverbs 20:9; Who can say, "I have made my heart clean; I am pure from my sin?" Ecclesiastes 7:20: Surely there is NOT A RIGHTEOUS MAN ON EARTH who does good and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:29; Behold, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many devices. Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way... Isaiah 64:6; We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. Romans 3:9-12; What then? are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that ALL MEN, both Jews and Greeks, ARE UNDER THE POWER OF SIN, as it is written; "NONE is righteous, no, not one; no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong; NO ONE DOES GOOD,NOT EVEN ONE." James 3:2,8; For we all make many mistakes, and if any one makes no mistakes in what he says he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also...but no human being can tame the tongue-- a restless evil, full of deadly poison. I John 1:8,10; If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us..If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. E. Men left in their dead state are unable of themselves to repent, to believe the gospel, or to come to Christ. They have no power within themselves to change their natures or to prepare themselves for salvation. JOB 14:4; Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is not one. Jeremiah 13:23; Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil. Matthew 7:16-18 YOU will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, NOR CAN A BAD TREE BEAR GOOD FRUIT. Matthew 12:33 "Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree bad, and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit." John 6:44; NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS the Father who sent me DRAWS HIM; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:56; And he said, "This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS IT IS GRANTED HIM BY THE FATHER." Romans 11:35,36; "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?" For from him and through him and to him ARE ALL THINGS. to him be glory forever. AMEN. 1 Corinthians 2:14; The UNSPIRITUAL MAN does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and HE IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 4:7; For who sees anything different in you? What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, WHY DO YOU BOAST AS IF IT WERE NOT A GIFT? 2 Corinthians 3:5; Not that we are SUFFICIENT OF OURSELVES to claim anything as coming from us; our sufficiency is FROM GOD. From these Scriptures we see that we are unable of ourselves to do anything toward gaining salvation. We must rely totally on God's mercy and love. Sincerely, James Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 08:29 PM :laugh: I can tell manofgod is back! :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 11:18 PM I'll answer your question with a question, is jesus a debate Post Reply
SOS4EMAILFRIEND View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 04:23 AM PhilipJohn :laugh::laugh::laugh: Sir, You have a way of talking! Tell me, did you study for it or do you consider it a gift?? You do not answer questions. You just throw in another question....:bow::bow: However, I am very interested in your answers to the previous posts as to your eenie meenie cheers .... I feel that they are of the extreme importance as to your position in this discussion. Looking forward to it with the utmost interest. Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 06:26 AM It is otherwise called reformed theology. Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 06:28 AM James what you posted, does not disprove the Gospel. Man or women have a part in receiving the Gospel. The truth will never change. Post Reply
View Profile History	blessed assurance! Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 07:04 AM uhhn if Im not mistaken what James wrote was the gospel! Post Reply

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