Thread: Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
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Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 18 Mar, 2010 11:52 AM
Should believers, that is those who are born again and have a living relationship with Christ be involved with Missionary work or programs relating to such works?
My answer will surprise most everyone. The answer is a resounding no! Nowhere in scripture to we find where anyone is commanded to be a missionary.
I also realize many to prove God's authority for missionary work are going to use Matthew 28:190-20 when Christ told His 11 disciples to go into the world, ect. I'll give it as shown below.
Matthew 28:19 �Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 �Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Also more of this commission is found in Mark 16:14-18 and this rounds out with more detail, what this commission is all about.
Mark 16:14 �Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 �And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 �He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 �And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 �They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
There are several reasons why this commission is not for today. One, the signs that shall follow them that believe shall cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Secondly, no signs no commission. Also to back up the fact there is no commission is because Paul said they fulfilled it. Proof:
Colossians 1:23 �If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Third, this commission was not in connection with the church at all. It was in connection with Christ offering Israel their promised Kingdom on earth with Christ reining for a thousand years. Another subject for another time.
Also when we are in God's truth, God will bring people to us to witness to. {MY words}
Since no direct reference is made concerning missionaries as done today here is what is said in God's word.
Romans 10:17 �So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 14:23 �And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Also God's word says we don't have to know of Christ to be saved.
Romans 1:20 �For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Fourth, God's spirit is in the world convicting man of sin.
John 16:7 ��Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 �And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 �Of sin, because they believe not on me;
The bottom line is that God has the responsibility dealing with everyone's relationship or lack of one with the Lord. God will certainly use whoever he wants but no is lost for lack of witness from a missionary.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 19 Mar, 2010 07:58 AM
I think maybe what is happening to you Gary, is that the Holy Spirit is doing His ministry work in You, and is convicting your heart to know that GOD IS CALLING YOU TO GO!... so you're in search of answers. Could it be?
Could it be that the Holy Spirit is covicting you about NOT doing MISSIONS WORK AS A MISSIONARY OF THE lORD, AND IS CALLING YOU TO GO?!!!...spread the gospel of Jesus Christ in your community, and help the needy?:rocknroll:
I would suggest that you bite the bullet and GO!and stop your foolishness. And when you GO, and tells others about Jesus, and assist in meeting the needs of the needy, YOU TOO, WILL BE CALLED A MISSIONARY! :applause:
THEN when you stand before the Lord on judgment day, you will have on your record that you heeded the call to GO!:dancingp:
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 19 Mar, 2010 09:57 AM
Yup ! Its up to Us to answer that call...
The question of the day is...
"What are you doing for GOD ?" Are ya jus livin your life Tellin others How to do it..??? Or are ya out there in the mass's Showin them how..??? Jesus lead by example...If its good enough for Him...well than...its good enough for me to...xo
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2010 03:33 PM
Ella,
I love you and think you have done an excellent job here. For once, you and I are in complete agreement. Let me tell y'all a true story that my first Pastor told me.
There was a young missionary couple who were just starting out. They picked a small,unheard of country that had no missionaries at all. They went there but faced heavy opposition from the Muslim believers. Anyone they converted was quickly killed or made to publicly renounce God. After 30 hard fought years,they had made 1 real convert, and they didn't even know what had become of him.
Beaten and dejected, they returned to a small, central Texas church to end their days. Several years later, the phone rang in the Parsonage of this small church. It was the one convert that this couple had made.
He asked if he could come by, and they said yes. He had stopped by after picking up 10 Bible College Graduates that he had sent through school from his country.
He had left his country for America, graduated Seminary, gone back and started preaching himself. He had saved thousands, picked these 10 to help establish a Bible College in his country.
That one convert went on to establish over 1,000 Bible Colleges and turned his country into the premiere Christian nation in that part of the world.
Many of us will never see the fruits of our labor for the Lord. Remember, it only takes one to change the world.
Oh yeah, the name of that small country was Ethiopia.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2010 05:02 PM
What I have found to be most interesting is that no one has disputed the scriptures I have given. All the fault finding has been about the messenger rather then message. If you people had a legitimate case for missionary work and could prove it from God's word, I'm sure you folks would be disputing scripture with me instead of saying how wrong I am and that I need to get right with God.
All you have done is strengthen my position from God's word.
I have noticed also in Christ's time, when the writers of the scriptures were preaching, not much is mentioned about the scribes and pharisees objecting to God's word, but instead found fault with the messengers. None of the religious element wanted to compare the scriptures to see if they were right or wrong but only wanted to condemn. Things don't change much do they?
That just goes to prove the carnal mind is indeed not subject to God.
Romans 8:7 �Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 �So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 �But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
John 8:46 ��Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 �He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The replies if any to the above should be interesting.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2010 06:37 PM
dear gary, are you implying that we are not of GOD because we believe in the ministry of missioneries folks bein servants of JESUS CHRIST ?
if you are then you need to please stop them kinds of insults here..
the bible is often telling us to go and spread the gospel of JESUS CHRIST.. and it is also alot of telling us to do our charitable deeds... to help those less fortunate in other words to love our neighbor as ourselves.. to give to those in need.. whatever it is they need if you have it to give.. to go the extra mile for them..
and it is my belief if thats your time spent with them teaching them the word or if thats helping them install runnin water or bringing them food to eat teachin them how to grow their own foods , helpin to build churches ,schools healing the sick.. bringing medicine in..or donating money to help them do so ect ect...
no matter what you call it a missionery or a minister or preacher or just a good ole helpful neighbor willin to go and help others..
its still obeyin the word of GOD.. no matter what one wants to call it..
remember there will be many kinds of ministries..
i believe one shouldnt misjudge innocent people for doing good or good works..bein a servant to peoples.. specially not those who were called to this ministry.
its never been a crime to do good for others..has it?
matthew 5:41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
some folks will nswer that call to go the second mile for others who compel them to go.. and i commend them ,,,not condemn them for it..
1 corinthians 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.
1 corinthians 12:4-7 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
matthew 28:19-20 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
matthew 9:37-38 37 Then He said to His disciples, "The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few. 38 Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest."
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2010 09:15 PM
Cattleman, you sure amaze me with your accusations. I'm wondering if you have any understanding or have read any of the scripture I have given.
I'll try to keep it simple for you. You said there are many kinds of ministries.
That certainly is not God's plan because God has stated there is only one faith. Therefore there should only be one ministry with all believers being of the same mind.
Ephesians 4:5 �One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Please read now, where it says there is only one faith, it is not God's plan to have the faith of your choice. No wonder there is so much confusion and illiteracy concerning God's word. Believers are to be of one mind, speak the same things. Not different ministries with different doctrines.
Romans 15:6 �That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 12:2 �And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1 Corinthians 1:10 �Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
I hope this will be a help to you cattleman and perhaps an eye opener for you.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 20 Mar, 2010 11:23 PM
Yeah, Leon, you and I have had some disagreements,and do disagree on some things, not too many however, but I would rather our disagreements be known as being "spiritually heated fellowship":hearts:... yet, the Christian love is still connected.
I loved your story and the truth it revealed... Thanks for sharing that.
love ya sweetheart
ella
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Now, Cattleman, I am a purpose driven, and objective managment kind of person, I appreciate your gentle spirit, and I enjoy some of your points of views on topics.
Nevertheless, before I jump all over you about your post to me :toomuch:... I would like to know what was your purpose and objective in what you wrote to me about my comments to Gary? I don't get it...
So maybe you can help me out in understanding the purpose, objective, and meaning behind what you wrote, and what you meant by saying,"Now lets please don't make it a personal insult thing nack and forth.. also, when you said that what I wrote "was not necessary to make my point" as pretaining to my comment... "Go. and stop the foolishness"... what did you mean? as I said, I don't get your post to me.
BTW, why would you thnk that What Gary posted was an insult to me or what I do as a missionary? It was not an insult to me, it was an insult to God's word out of unbelief and spiritual ignorance in the word of God. Against which I will always protect and guard.
Gary, must understand and know that Missions work is apart of the Minsitry of Helps which all believers are called to do, and is scriptural.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2010 12:05 AM
Gary,
You have given a perfect example of someone twisting the scriptures to say what he wants them to say. I can prove any point I want with a few scriptures here and there. If you want to prove your point for real, instead of taking things out of context, use the stories of the Bible as examples. Such as, Just as Moses couldn't lead the Israelites to the promised land, neither can the law lead us to salvation. To cross the Jordan, it took Joshua, (Yeshua, Jesus). These are clear examples that the Bible gives on every subject. If you can not find one, then your view is wrong.
Let's look at Missionaries, was not Jesus Himself the first missionary? Then this was taken over by His disciples. How else could the word have been spread about the Gospel? What about Philip? There are too many examples to list them all. This is what happens when you know you have interpreted correctly. Give us clear examples of your belief,not random, out of context, verses. That is a child's game.
