Thread: Statements to" Believe" abouit the Word of God
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Statements to" Believe" abouit the Word of God
Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 09:47 AM
First thought, Jesus is the word so the any statement concerning Jesus is the same as a declaration of the word of God.
My favorite Scripture is John 17:17 17 � Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
The word of God is either believed as truth, or some choose not to believe, It is a choice.
Jn 1:1 � In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Nu 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Unfortunatly when it will always seem as though you are saying one is wrong when you believe the word of God to be true as it has been declared, when one insists it has need of interpretaion, one has already declared the word of God is corruptible. One thing love is, is protective, is it to be permissive? My intention would never be to make a scene, but is that not what happens when you say things publicly that are contrary to the truth, people do not need any more confusion.
Leon as for the dominion issue, I never said man does not have dominion, man is defined as having authority in the new testament, but that man according to the new testament, has to be in the church, for Satan is still God of this world and unregenarate men are still subject to him at his will.
That is a good point, but don't you think Satan's minions will have power in the coming tribulation? Isn't Satan given power to overcome the saints? Do you think he can do it alone, or will he have his army that he has empowered? He is supposed to come doing miracles, signs, and great lying wonders.
We are a proud generation, thinking we can order Satan around when Michael the Arch Angel wouldn't even do it, but instead said, the Lord rebuke you.
Your quoting the words of an angel and you are in the old covenant, we are in the new covenant.
Lu 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Verse seventeen proceeds verse nineteen.
here is one example:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
1st Peter5:8 � Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
dear folks, my old friend leon i love ya bro and phillip i love you too and think youre both good men ,with good hearts ,,and well studied men.. and both passionate men in your beliefs...and what you percieve to be truth... now i admire that in yawl...
also i believe each person that writes here on the forums believes what they believe and what theyre speakin here is the truth..
dear phillip your words
One thing love is, is protective, is it to be permissive?
mine here
no its not.. thats why its very importand to speak out on what you believe to be the truth..
phillip your words again
My intention would never be to make a scene, but is that not what happens when you say things publicly that are contrary to the truth,
mine here
i dont think you intentionally try to make a scene phillip..
and when someone says something that we percieve to not be the truth ,thats not what makes a scene either..
thats what makes a good discussion and even a good debate,but not a scene.. it cant become a scene unless we make it one.. ya know
dear folks, everyone think of it like this.. sposin an atheist or an unsaved person comes in here and asks questions or makes comments..
would we tell them them we disagree with them ? yes we would ..
then do we try to convince them by telling them just how wrong they are? or do we tell them we disagree with them and and tell them what we believe and why we do..... just plant some seeds and show them how wonderful it is to be saved by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB and how they too can find that same salvation.. and watch and see if they grow to fruit?
remember its a testimony in us that theyre watching.. do they wanna have what we have or act like we act?
there are times that we prolly all have treated our brothers and sisters in CHRIST worse than we have unsaved folks.. because we believe they should have it right always and believe the same truth as us.. . we expect so much more from them.. yes we do and we expect them to be just like us hehe.little mini mes .
well it shouldnt oughta be that way.. sure we expect more from christian folks,,but remember folks is at different places in their walks than us.. and also its a good chance that none of us have the whole truth GODS truth right 100% all the times.. i mean you even take denominations , lets say mine pentecostol ,and you put a bunch of us together and even we will disagree with each other on some things.. hehe
Here is a passage that you have applied for us today when the context and Grammar do not allow us to do so.
Luke 10:17 Then*** THE SEVENTY*** returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to ***US*** in Your name."
18 And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
19 Behold, I give *** YOU*** the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt *** YOU***.
20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to *** YOU*** , but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven."
PJ, this passage specifically addresses these specific SEVENTY Disciples of Jesus. To take what Jesus is applying to them and then try to apply this to us for today I believe is taking this not only out of context but making a wrongful application.
If that is the case, then the bible is a lie, but we know it is not, we are in the churchthose believers where not even saved, for it to be out of context, the book of acts we not be pertinent to us, but it is, the new covenant is a better covenant promises, There is no need to contend I am not going to back off the word, Jesus is not a respector of persons, I personally believe all scripture is true. context does not corrupt the word of God, that is uncorruptible.
{Quote}If that is the case, then the bible is a lie, but we know it is not, we are in the churchthose believers where not even saved, for it to be out of context, the book of acts we not be pertinent to us, but it is, the new covenant is a better covenant promises, There is no need to contend I am not going to back off the word, Jesus is not a respector of persons, I personally believe all scripture is true. context does not corrupt the word of God, that is uncorruptible.
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In the case of Philip, the bible is very specific, it says they believed and were Baptized.
Look, I'm sorry that you have been lied to about the bible, we all have at one point or another, but stop trying to take God's place and insisting that you alone know the truth. I love the Charismatics, I love going to their services and watching the love they have for the Lord. There is nothing in this world more beautiful than a woman worshiping our Father with her whole heart.
PJ, you have been shown many scriptures that prove the falsehoods of your beliefs, but you will not address them, instead you say it is a lie and you believe Jesus. That sir, is a lie.
What did Jesus teach about Prayer? Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Paul said if there is no interpreter, tongues had no place in the church house. Is that how it works at your church?I can promise you that it is not. I have been to too many of them.
Do you know what a person is called who does the same thing as he accuses others of? Think about it, it will come to you. I pray God removes the blinders from your eyes.
Do you see what happens when we start judging others? It is not pretty, is it? Forgive me if I hurt you in any way, but I wanted to get your attention.
dear leon, lets stop with the callin people here liars..
everyone believes they have the truth in what they believe here.. prove our points by speaking our beliefs and why we believe something to be so.. not by goin personal and makin insults to an individual....
i understand you got an insult like that yesterday from the one youre giving it to today.. ..
but when i wrote the three posts askin folks to stop this kind of behavior.. it wasnt for folks to turn right around and continue in this kinds of behavior..
youre my friend but i have to treat my friends the same as everyone else here.. i hope you understand and will give me your cooperation ...
Thanks again, my friend. I don't like being out of control like that and you did good pulling me up. I was out of line.
However, after your last articles I was the only one that toned anything down at all and nothing was said. I have no problem with you trying to keep the peace and keep us in control, but don't call out just me because you know I will be polite about it.
I am not trying to say I was innocent in this, I was not. But fair is fair, my friend. I am not angry or even upset, but I wanted to get this out before it went any farther.
First I'd like to thank Phillip John for expressing scriptures that are dear to you. I feel All God's words are true and well worth believing in.
Based on the forum chat here I was led to this scripture passage;
There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works in all in all. But the manifistation of the Spirit is given to each one to profit all (1Cor.12:5-6):
