Author	Thread: Is God a murderer?
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 07:47 AM Ok....so, many times in the old testament there examples of God committing what would appear to be genocide in our eyes. Killing off whole cities, destroying everything...leaving nothing alive...but if you look closely enough, you can see that God always gives people a chance. Look at the flood. Evil in this world was at it's highest peak, but before God destroyed everything He gave everyone 120 years to listen to Noah, and to repent and board the ark. Didn't help much, but He did it. Nineveh...God sent a prophet to tell them they were going to be destroyed, and here's a good example of God's mercy. They repented and He withdrew His sentence. Sodom and Gomorrah. Again, God would have spared the city if there would have been 5 good people. Lot and his family made four. They couldn't find one other good person in either city. The land of Canaan. Here's a good example of God's plan throughout history. There were two reasons the Israelites were made to wander through the desert for 40 years. First reason was a punishment for their lack of faith and obedience. Second reason was that the Amorite's(and possibly all of Canaan's inhabitants) sins had not reached their fullness, God had given them around 500 years to repent. In Genesis 15:13-16 God reveals a prophecy about Abraham's children. Anyway...I guess my point is that even though God executes these punishments, He has always given people a chance to turn away from their sin, and the bible probably doesn't record all the things that God did with these increasingly evil people to try to bring them back to Him...who knows how many prophets and messengers He sent. It's not God's will that any should perish, but sin causes everyone to perish...so He kinda has to get rid of sin. Destroying the wicked is a "strange act" for God, but He has to destroy the wicked to save the innocent. Evil people have free will, and they use it to choose to disobey God and avoid His salvation. True...they would probably all repent if they could see their end, but that is not true repentance. Fear of punishment is the wrong motivation. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 09:27 AM "Well I suggest to you If God is a killer, then he is guilty of lying, because he said he is life and that he can not lie, but he does explain who the killer is." God IS life; He has given us all life, but He can also take it away. I don't consider it to be the same as MURDER. Maybe I'm wrong. To me, what Mark is referring to, I would relate it to a parent/child situation. The parent warns the child of consequences of wrong actions. When the child does not heed the warnings, the child suffers the consequences. Also, I think there is a difference between killing and murdering. If I shoot/kill a man that's threatening my life or my loved ones (trying to kill, rape, torture) I don't think that would be considered murder. If the brakes on my vehicle fail, and I take someones life because of it, I don't think that would be murder. I'm not saying there'd be no consequences, but I believe murder deals more with intent, or the motives. Just my two pennies! :) With love, T Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 11:25 AM Jesus told us who the destroyer was and is, There is an old Jewish saying, if you find two scriptures that contradict one another, you must look for a third to reconcile the two, for it is impossible for God to lie. It does not bother the father for his children to question him, he enjoys it. Post Reply
Agnos View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 12:08 PM One thing needs to be clear for all of us Christians: �the only� God, the Creator of everything is ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGN" over His creation. He gives and takes life. He gives our bodies and take spirit from them when He decides it according to His will and justice, which is very different of our concept of justice as GivenLife has reminded in her quotations... those verse are amazing� The creator�s enemies are just called enemies to express that they hate even the idea that they have been created by God� But� as God has created all things and creatures, there is NO creature who can be named his/herself as an enemy of His level. Satan is a creation too, and a skilled creation indeed, he received beauty and power� But nothing is given or taken by Satan without the approval of God. No mistake� Evil is submitted to God in everything he does, Glory to the Almighty for that!!!!!! Read carefully Job chapters 1 and 2. Satan wanted Job�s destruction, but he could only do what God allowed him to do� from the death of Job's children to Job's sickness... Why does God did that? The whole book answer that question, God had a purpose in Job�s life, He wanted Job to understand His real and complete Sovereignty, that book is a treasure. I thought once... What about those children of Job?... Now I answer myself... Come on, Agnos... trust God and keep silence... In Lamentations chapter 3 we found this very strong scripture: 37 Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? 39 Why should any living man complain when punished for his sins? The complete chapter speaks about the will of God for us to repent and that He has the right to forgive or not. The first time I read it I had to put it apart for years until I was able to �accept� that absolute Truth� He can not be defined by our concepts of good or bad, no matter how hard we try to do it� He uses all things� by the change, all created by Him� for His sovereign purposes� If we fight against those scriptures, and other not quoted here but stated in the Bible, we are trying to close the Almighty in the narrow box of our limited thoughts. He is not a murderer! He does what He has determined since the Beginning, in his eternity and no one can judge Him! He is Justice, Love, forgive, but punishment and fire too� He is the Only One with rights over all !!!!!!!!!!! Halleluyah! Isn�t that the consolation for the whole creation? And� when we cannot understand the things that He disposes [I don�t understand a lot of them], if we cannot yet understand scriptures like Lamentations 3.37-39 or others, we just have to pray and keep silence before Him, like Habakuk 2.20 reads. Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 02:43 PM Your post does not agree with scripture, Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 03:38 PM Thank you Agnos!! I enjoyed reading your post and I agree that God is in control of everything!! We cannot fathom what all He can do!! He is the alpha and omega!! With love, T Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 04:53 PM Yes he is the alpha and omega but he is not in control of evrything, can you imagine blaming him for haiti Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 06:23 PM PhillipJohn, we do not agree. I'm not arguing with you about it. Period. No one is going to fully agree with anyone but it's ok as long as it doesn't deal with salvation. So in a forum where most of the members proclaim to be Christians, it's not neccessary and it bears no fruit. I appreciate the fact that you are passionate about our Father and His teachings. Perhaps I'm just having a hard time feeling any positivity or love from your posts? I dunno. BTW, I don't BLAME God for anything. He has His reasonings for everything that none of us can fathom. I thank Him for each and every day He gives me and I appreciate the leasons I learn from the trials I'm put through. With love, T Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 06:44 PM How can one be positive about, accusing the lord of Satan's work, You are correct about that part, actually when it comes to the word of God it is life or death, never positive or negative Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 06:55 PM Honestly, PJ, I don't really even understand what you're really trying to convey. But, that's ok, because I'm done. We are not bearing fruit. With love, T Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 06:57 PM Tandy, Wonderful outlook, and you are exactly right. It is not a matter of importance, so we shouldn't be arguing about it. I am impressed with your knowledge in one so young, keep up the good work. Blessings, Leon Post Reply

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