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Believe or Interpret
Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 07:43 AM

Does Scripture encourage us to believe or interpret?

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Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 08:27 PM

If you didn't have any confusion over the subject, then why did you ask the question. Normally, when one asks a question, it is to understand something you are having difficulty understanding. If you say that you aren't confused... then you are simply trying to get an argument started. You asked the question with the intention of getting people riled up. If I am wrong, and this ISN'T the case... then you are asking this question because, on some level, you WANT people to prove you wrong. You know on some level you are wrong, and you want others to show you how. So, assuming you wouldn't intentionally ask a question to get a rise out of people, I assumed you wanted a straight answer and fully expected you to ask for sufficient scriptures, which I provided. Not only did I provide SEVERAL, but they were almost ALL from 1 Corinthians. They weren't pulled from different, random parts of the Bible. Every time I presented a thought, I backed it up with scripture... at least every 2 or 3 sentences. So... in response to what you said against me...



"I don't have any confusion, i simply ask a question..."

If you ask a question, you are either confused or or out to CAUSE it.

"most of what you said totally disagrees with the bible, displaying confusion..."

I quoted EVERYTHING I stated!

"Don't quote things that don't apply to the question..."

I didn't.

"You will never find any time Jesus said interpet what I am saying"

Read Luke 8:4-15. Jesus tells a parable... and then interprets it for the disciples. He does this on another occasion as well. Let us follow his example.



"Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ." -1 Cor. 11:1



I am sorry for being so forward. You insulted my response when I was sincerely trying to help you. If you aren't looking for help in understanding something... then please don't ask and then rebuke someone for trying to offer assistance via the Word of God. Again, I'm sorry for any hard feelings. Hopefully this was merely a misunderstanding. Love and Peace, man.



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Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 09:01 PM

Neither one of your statements agree with the word, In otherwords Adam and not believe, what the lord told them to not do so you call it something else, It is best to stick to bible, and not opinions.



My bible says the spirit of truth will gide you into all truth, you either believe that truth, or you do not believe it and call it interpretation.



Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.



Jesus, said it was unbelief when one didnt believe:Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Believing and nonbelieving (unbelief) are choices people have since the beginning of time, according to my bible

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Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 09:16 PM

Ole cattle where do you suppose that statement came from, are we not talking about the bible? We are speaking concerning the bible and believing it. It is very interesting how one can defend the right to defend interpreting Jesus. Maybe we need to define what I mean by believing: be⋅lieve

  /bɪˈliv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bi-leev] Show IPA verb, -lieved, -liev⋅ing.

�verb (used without object)

1. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.



in⋅ter⋅pret

  /ɪnˈtɜrprɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-tur-prit] Show IPA

�verb (used with object)

1. to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate: to interpret the hidden meaning of a parable.



I see no precedence for a believer to add to or take away from the word, I do see where we have the holy spirit to help us, understand the truth.

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Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 09:27 PM

dear phillip,

your verse quote here

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.



thats a good un.. as it explains that the HOLY SPIRIT is your guide to all truth..

so therefore the HOLY SPIRIT is your intrepreter.. as HE guides you as you read the word..or hear the word ..or or HE just puts it right in ya...

HE instills in your hearts and minds what you believe.. once you believe in JESUS to start with and find salvation then you have the HELPER in you.. .. so ya have to have interpret or ya wont know what it is that you do believe..

ole cattle

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Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 11:22 PM

Whoa...I just have one question...what are we supposed to believe then? Just whatever we read from the bible without checking it out? Because there are plenty of people that believe things that are definitely wrong. Do they get a free pass into heaven or does the bible say that some people who "think" they "believe" are going to be disappointed?





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Posted : 6 Feb, 2010 11:50 PM

Wow. Can't say I didn't try.



PhillipJohn: "It is very interesting how one can defend the right to defend interpreting Jesus."

"Interpret- to give or provide the meaning of... to interpret the hidden meaning of a parable."

All your words, man.



"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him." -Titus 3:9-10



Divisive-adj.-causing or tending to cause disagreement or dissension.



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Posted : 7 Feb, 2010 05:47 AM

I would agree with what you said but in line with the bible, what most people do is say what they want it to say, and justify it by saying it is their interpretation. That is not believing, that is manipulation. Again stick to the bible.



Ole cattle you made a statement that is a good example, something relative the holy spirit and your mind, is that not correct?

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Posted : 7 Feb, 2010 10:02 AM

if you look at my answer which I said both and explained why using just defintions of believe and interpret it may not be as worded as how someone else would use to explain their answers but what I explained to the reader it can interpret close enough to understand. If I need scriptures to explain it I think that I can find one verse.



John 3:16



16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life



My explaination:



I take this as interpret God sent his only son to die for me and I am the whosoever who believes in him and I shall not perish but have eternal life.



then I believe it....I believe its God promise and word.



Make sense? GivenLife

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Posted : 7 Feb, 2010 11:33 AM

dear phillip, even though we all have the HOLY SPIRIT guidin us all... there are times when we tend to believe a certain something the bible says as it fits what we want it to say... sometimes we just grab hold of it without the HOLY SPIRTS guidance..

its with our own guidance that we tend to intrepret some things in the bible..

and that is when we will get it wrong.. thats why we have so many of the same believers reading the same bible and coming up with different interpretations of the bible verses and what they are saying..



sometimes you gotta dig even deeper too.. as we are reading an interpretaion of the original languages.. so sometimes we got to go back to the closer original languages.. to find a meaning of a word..



ya know the bible that we read today the kjv and the nkjv both have been redone to make corrections to them before.. so they didnt get it right the first time or did they? hehe

so ya see ya gotta study and interpret to show thyself approved..

as GOD said MY children perish for a lack of knowlege..



so to sum it up the HOLY SPIRIT will lead you in all truth.. just make sure its HIM leadin ya..

ole cattle

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Posted : 7 Feb, 2010 07:53 PM

Yes we will increase and get on the same page when abandon all the interpreting!!!

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