Author	Thread: Have you Murdered Anyone? Really?
Admin	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 22 Jan, 2010 10:42 AM Hi Everyone, In the "Sermon on the Mount" Jesus gave the foundational teachings of Christian living. These were not suggestions but new commandments. He was thorough and what He did was to point out where sin begins. Notice when He quotes something from the Old Testament and then He contrasts it by saying "BUT I SAY TO YOU". He is giving NEW instructions that don't allow us any excuses. He raised the bar, He raised the standard that we all must obey. Mat 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. NKJV The key to this passage is "angry with his brother..."WITHOUT A CAUSE". Jesus is saying that those who are angry at their brother without a cause is guilty of MURDER and nothing less. The intent here is not just any cause that we can justify in our own minds, but a cause that is righteous in God's eyes. That is the standard by which we ourselves are judged. God's standard. Now reflect for a while and ask yourself if you have been angry at someone for anything whatsoever. Were you angry at someone because they disagree with something you believe? Were you ever angry at someone because of a perceived injury to someone you know? Were you ever angry at someone because you believed in a rumor or Gossip? Were you ever angry at someone because they bruised your ego or hurt your pride? Did you get angry at someone because they took your parking spot? The list can go on and on if you think hard enough. Well guess what? In God's eyes you are guilty of MURDER. This is a hard pill for some to swallow but it is God's word that speaks truth here. So how do you make amends if this is the case? It is interesting how Jesus gave us the answer in the very next verse as to what our responsibility is. Mat 5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, In other words, you know in your heart that someone has something against you because of something you did or said or if you are or have been angry without a cause in God's eyes. To take it even deeper. Suppose you did or said things about a person that in God's eyes falsely maligned a persons character and they are not aware you did it? Same principle applies in my opinion. 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. In other words you have to first go and make every effort to reconcile with your brother or sister before you can go boldly before the altar of God and present your gift. Notice that Jesus here does not just simply say to confess your sins and all is well. He said you have to go and reconcile. That my brothers and sisters is a true heart of repentance. I hope that we all learn from the words of our Lord in this and press forward to the depths of His wisdom and love one another JUST AS Christ loved us. John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."NKJV Love in Christ, Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 23 Jan, 2010 05:26 PM Ephesians 4:26 - Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Anger happens. Anger with sin as a result of that anger is not good. Can't say I've met anyone, believer and unbeliever alike, who has ever been angry and didn't sin as a result at one time or another, including myself. Forgiveness is a great thing, yes? Jackie Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 23 Jan, 2010 08:13 PM dear folks, maybe this will help some.. its from my study bible .. speakin on the verses walter gave earlier.. not my own words here. ole cattle The laws of God are not novel, upstart laws, but were delivered to them of old time; they are ancient laws, but of that nature as never to be antiquated nor grow obsolete. The moral law agrees with the law of nature, and the eternal rules and reasons of good and evil, that is, the rectitude of the eternal Mind. Killing is here forbidden, killing ourselves, killing any other, directly or indirectly, or being any way accessory to it. The law of God, the God of life, is a hedge of protection about our lives. It was one of the precepts of Noah, Gen. 9:5, 6. II. The exposition of this command which the Jewish teachers contended themselves with; their comment upon it was, Whosoever shall kill, shall be in danger of the judgment. This was all they had to say upon it, that wilful murderers were liable to the sword of justice, and casual ones to the judgment of the city of refuge. The courts of judgment sat in the gate of their principal cities; the judges, ordinarily, were in number twenty-three; these tried, condemned, and executed murderers; so that whoever killed, was in danger of their judgment. Now this gloss of theirs upon this commandment was faulty, for it intimated, 1. That the law of the sixth commandment was only external, and forbade no more than the act of murder, and laid to restraint upon the inward lusts, from which wars and fightings come. This was indeed the proton pseudos-the fundamental error of the Jewish teachers, that the divine law prohibited only the sinful act, not the sinful thought; they were disposed haerere in cortice-to rest in the letter of the law, and they never enquired into the spiritual meaning of it. Paul, while a Pharisee, did not, till, by the key of the tenth commandment, divine grace let him into the knowledge of the spiritual nature of all the rest, Rom. 7:7, 14. 2. Another mistake of theirs was, that this law was merely political and municipal, given for them, and intended as a directory for their courts, and no more; as if they only were the people, and the wisdom of the law must die with them. III. The exposition which Christ gave of this commandment; and we are sure that according to his exposition of it we must be judged hereafter, and therefore ought to be ruled now. The commandment is exceeding broad, and not to be limited by the will of the flesh, or the will of men. 1. Christ tells them that rash anger is heart-murder (v. 22); Whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause, breaks the sixth commandment. By our brother here, we are to understand any person, though ever so much our inferior, as a child, a servant, for we are all made of one blood. Anger is a natural passion; there are cases in which it is lawful and laudable; but it is then sinful, when we are angry without cause. The word is eike, which signifies, sine caus, sine effectu, et sine modo-without cause, without any good effect, without moderation; so that the anger is then sinful, (1.) When it is without any just provocation given; either for no cause, or no good cause, or no great and proportionable cause; when we are angry at children or servants for that which could not be helped, which was only a piece of forgetfulness or mistake, that we ourselves might easily have been guilty of, and for which we should not have been angry at ourselves; when we are angry upon groundless surmises, or for trivial affronts not worth speaking of. (2.) When it is without any good end aimed at, merely to show our authority, to gratify a brutish passion, to let people know our resentments, and excite ourselves to revenge, then it is in vain, it is to do hurt; whereas if we are at any time angry, it should be to awaken the offender to repentance, and prevent his doing so again; to clear ourselves (2 Co. 7:11), and to give warning to others. (3.) When it exceeds due bounds; when we are hardy and headstrong in our anger, violent and vehement, outrageous and mischievous, and when we seek the hurt of those we are displeased at. This is a breach of the sixth commandment, for he that is thus angry, would kill if he could and durst; he has taken the first step toward it; Cain's killing his brother began in anger; he is a murderer in the account of God, who knows his heart, whence murder proceeds, ch. 15:19. 2. He tells them, that given opprobrious language to our brother is tongue-murder, calling him, Raca, and, Thou fool. When this is done with mildness and for a good end, to convince others of their vanity and folly, it is not sinful. Thus James says, O vain man; and Paul, Thou fool; and Christ himself, O fools, and slow of heart. But when it proceeds from anger and malice within, it is the smoke of that fire which is kindled from hell, and falls under the same character. (1.) Raca is a scornful word, and comes from pride, "Thou empty fellow;'' it is the language of that which Solomon calls proud wrath (Prov. 21:24), which tramples upon our brother-disdains to set him even with the dogs of our flock. This people who knoweth not the law, is cursed, is such language, Jn. 7:49. (2.) Thou fool, is a spiteful word, and comes from hatred; looking upon him, not only as mean and not to be honoured, but as vile and not to be loved; "Thou wicked man, thou reprobate.'' The former speaks a man without sense, this (in scripture language) speaks a man without grace; the more the reproach touches his spiritual condition, the worse it is; the former is a haughty taunting of our brother, this is a malicious censuring and condemning of him, as abandoned of God. Now this is a breach of the sixth commandment; malicious slanders and censures are poison under the tongue, that kills secretly and slowly; bitter words are as arrows that would suddenly (Ps. 64:3), or as a sword in the bones. The good name of our neighbour, which is better than life, is thereby stabbed and murdered; and it is an evidence of such an ill-will to our neighbour as would strike at his life, if it were in our power. 3. He tells them, that how light soever they made of these sins, they would certainly be reckoned for; he that is angry with is brother shall be in danger of the judgment and anger of God; he that calls him Raca, shall be in danger of the council, of being punished by the Sanhedrim for reviling an Israelite; but whosoever saith, Thou fool, thou profane person, thou child of hell, shall be in danger of hell-fire, to which he condemns his brother; so the learned Dr. Whitby. Some think, in allusion to the penalties used in the several courts of judgment among the Jews, Christ shows that the sin of rash anger exposes men to lower or higher punishments, according to the degrees of its proceeding. The Jews had three capital punishments, each worse than the other; beheading, which was inflicted by the judgment; stoning, by the council or chief Sanhedrim; and burning in the valley of the son of Hinnom, which was used only in extraordinary cases: it signifies, therefore, that rash anger and reproachful language are damning sins; but some are more sinful than others, and accordingly there is a greater damnation, and a sorer punishment reserved for them: Christ would thus show which sin was most sinful, by showing which it was the punishment whereof was most dreadful. IV. From all this it is here inferred, that we ought carefully to preserve Christian love and peace with our brethren, and that if at any time a breach happens, we should labour for a reconciliation, by confessing our fault, humbling ourselves to our brother, begging his pardon, and making restitution, or offering satisfaction for wrong done in word or deed, according as the nature of the thing is; and that we should do this quickly for two reasons: Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 06:37 AM "Heart-Murder" Much clearer! Thanks Ole' Cattle. Just has you can lust in your Heart...you can Murder in your Heart. Creating anger towards someone is committing "heart-murder". Thanks again Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 12:00 PM You guys cracked me up in this post. Archi you are a blast!!! :ROFL: I enjoyed reading this. Questions, I thought that you had to just think about killing them for it to be murder? 2nd is to really kill them? 3rd what if you do not ask someone if they are saved and they go to hell? Did you kill them too? After reading all this I will have to say that I have killed my cats more than 9 times each.:ROFL: Part of this is serious part of it sarcastic.:dancingp: Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 24 Jan, 2010 02:43 PM Hmm... there's a lot of heat on this topic, so I'll try to be brief. I don't feel like Jesus REPLACED the old commandments. I also don't see His teachings as new commandments. I don't think Jesus was trying to give us a new list of rules. In fact, just from reading about Him, I'd say he was against giving us lists of rules to follow! I think that what He was trying to do was to help us all better understand what sin is. To help us understand it a little better. He was trying to help us RECOGNIZE sin... at the core. I think God may have been tired of us following rules just because they were given to us. I think He wanted us to develop a deeper understanding of what sin truly is. I don't believe the people back in Jesus' time had any concept of this. They were just trying to follow the rules to the letter. They didn't understand what sin truly was. Sin was just a word for "you broke a rule". This largely summarizes the way the Pharisees and other teachers of the law acted during that time. They followed the rules as close to the letter as they could, yet were missing the point. As a result of their ignorance of what sin actually was, they were usually oblivious when they were caught up inside of it! In fact, the more I spend time in the "church", or the institutional church anyways, the more I see Christians falling back into this same pattern. "I better follow the rules to the dot so I don't go to hell." This is sad. Literally. It's depressing. What's even sadder, to me, is that no one is standing up against it. We're just all allowing it. We're teaching it our kids. Our own youth. I've been struggling with this for a little while now. I'm not quite sure how to respond or what to do. Maybe none of you feel the same way I do. Maybe you do. If you don't, that's okay. I have to answer for my actions as you have to answer for yours. If you do agree with me, please... share your thoughts. Please. (peacefully, hopefully) I'm going to re-post this as a separate thread. Please respond on that one if you decide to. Thanks. In Christ Garrett Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 25 Jan, 2010 06:36 AM When Cain was angry that Able's sacriface was accepted he was angry.That was not murder yet,because god asked him about it and said sin was at the door.Cain let that anger fester till it became murder. Somewhere it became the crime before the act. Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 25 Jan, 2010 10:42 AM That is right Dennis.The crime was committed in the heart before it became the actual event. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 26 Jan, 2010 07:23 AM dear dg, that was a good way of puttin it.. ole cattle Post Reply
eyesupward View Profile History	Have you Murdered Anyone? Really? Posted : 8 Feb, 2010 09:56 PM Good point DMTM and you are correct. Thank you Post Reply

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